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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,367) by Bill from the UK "If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore." Tell that to Adele lol. "Mariah was 'asked to choose'? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter." Not true. If you read the memoir, Mariah goes into detail about how her writing partnership with Margulies ended, and it was because of the contract he had made her sign which he refused to be bought out of. Mariah then had to find another collaborator from the debut line up. She indicated in later years that she did not work well with Narada Michael Walden, and also felt Ric Wake and Rhett Lawrence overproduced the songs, and that the demos were better, so opted to work with Walter for the Emotions album, and C&C Music Factory were suggested by the record company for the other half of the album. "Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY?" I don't know what this has to do with anything. I didn't state Walter wrote more or less of the songs in my post. I don't think your statement is true about Mariah writing songs solo, can you provide your source for that? To my knowledge the only solo Mariah composition is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow. Mariah cannot play an instrument competently enough to be able to write solo, and she has stated this several times. Part of AIWFCIY's appeal is the music programming, for which Walter was entirely responsible. "The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter." Um, he co-wrote all of them with her. "How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left?" Walter's post-Mariah accomplishments have been listed on this website many times, and his Wikipedia page tells you that he is an incredibly successful songwriter and producer to this day. Successful hits that had Walter's involvement: Love Takes Time, Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Dreamlover, Hero, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend, Endless Love, All I Want for Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Open Arms, Butterfly, My All. That is pretty much a list of Mariah's signature tunes, minus We Belong Together. "After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right?" I think Walter has a bit more clout in the industry than a reactor on YouTube. Happy New Year. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:18)

Re: Vinyls (99,356) (99,359) by Bill from the UK Yes I must say The Rarities vinyl is probably the best one. I love the presentation of the whole thing. I also have that promo box set called 12's that was released in 1998. At the time, MC said that #1's was going to be the hits on 1 disc and a 2nd disc of remixes. I wonder if 12's is what the 2nd CD would have consisted of? Either way, we eventually got The Remixes and then all the MC30 EPs so we got remixed out. Even though, for those of you that remember my little remix series I was running at the time, several did not make it onto the EPs. #JusticeForTheReggaeSoulMixesofABMB (Monday 3 January 2022; 16:45)

Re: Vinyls (99,345) (99,353) by Bill from the UK Hi Matty. I have all the original vinyl releases (debut through to joining Def Jam) except Glitter and #1's. You're right, Glitter is super rare and I was really disappointed it wasn't re-issued for the 20th anniversary. I then got the re-releases when they came out for MC30 as the vinyl quality is much better. I avoided the colour versions as black vinyl both wears better, lasts longer, and sounds better. I was pleased they were all faithfully replicated from the originals, except that the original Butterfly vinyl release opened with the Bad Boy Mix of Honey, not the original. In terms of singles, I have pretty much everything from the debut through to Rainbow, except Without You 12", which very rarely appears and when it does, is in awful condition and far too expensive. It's not as if "I can't live, if living is without the 12 inch vinyl release of Without You", so that gap in my collection doesn't annoy me too much. Bobby A was kind enough to get me the bottle green version of the debut when it was released. A beautiful item that I got purely because it looks so attractive. Like Mariah. (Sunday 2 January 2022; 17:10)

Re: Mariah surprises fans (99,335) (99,336) by Bill from the UK Lol, that was one giant ad for McDonalds. I'm very nervous about her messing with The Roof. That song is perfection. Why paint a peacock? (Friday 31 December 2021; 23:08)

Re: Never Forget You (99,316) (99,320) by Bill from the UK Again, not true. Mariah was asked to pick from the producers from the debut after Margulies was axed, and she chose Walter as the one to work with. She has said her favourite song from Emotions was And You Don't Remember (Afanasieff), her favourite from Music Box is AYNAF (Afanasieff), her favourite from Merry Christmas is AIWFCIY (Afanasieff), her favourite from Daydream is Underneath the Stars (Afanasieff) and her favourite from Butterfly is Close My Eyes (Afanasieff). And of course, if a nobody reactor on YouTube doesn't like Music Box then that must be reflective of the record buying public. (Wednesday 29 December 2021; 16:17)

Re: Can't sing diss 1999 (99,315) (99,319) by Bill from the UK This is all completely made up, speculative, and fabricated. (Wednesday 29 December 2021; 16:12)

Re: Best video director (99,296) (99,297) by Bill from the UK No, I only have whatever was put out on her official DVDs, and any gaps I downloaded from iTunes if they had them. They do have most of them which is good. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 16:07)

Re: Why the ugly clothes? (99,290) (99,292) by Bill from the UK Yeh it comes off as tacky. Her best look was 1996 Daydream era when she had the straight yet wavy hair, the headbands, and classy outfits. Sort of decked out in First Lady attire. I guess she was the First Lady of Sony Music back then, being married to the President and all that. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 14:17)

Re: Best video director (99,289) (99,291) by Bill from the UK More than just Fantasy my good friend. Always Be My Baby and the remix, she co-directed Butterfly, Breakdown and The Roof (one of her best videos), and also directed the secret Soul Convention AYNAF video, and I think she did the Pure Imagination remix of I Still Believe as well. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 13:25)

Re: Best video director (99,287) (99,288) by Bill from the UK You forgot to add Mariah to your list. Shake It Off and Get Your Number was a double A side in the UK, so yes I imagine the videos were filmed at the same time for the release of the single, bit am not 100% sure. From your list my favourite would be Diane Martel, but I loved a lot of what Larry Jordan did. He did some of her earlier videos like Someday and I Don't Wanna Cry, plus her live concert videos. Hero and Without You are so iconic to me. Hero for the timelessness and Without You because it was so big in the UK. I also love Make It Happen which was directed by Marcus Nispel. He's done countless videos (for others) and so many of his I love. I think all her videos from Emotions were perfect. (Sunday 26 December 2021; 00:23)

Re: Latest Instagram post (99,274) (99,275) by Bill from the UK Yeh and her visit to McDonalds she posted was a complete mess. (Friday 24 December 2021; 09:14)

Re: Mariah's voice (99,222) (99,230) by Bill from the UK Justin Bieber's voice broke, that is why he can't sing high notes anymore. He is a male, and traditionally, when a man goes through puberty his voice deepens. So that argument cannot be applied to Mariah. Plenty of female singers have had long, fruitful careers with little to no wear of their vocals. Certainly not to the extent of Mariah's. Let's look at her nearest competitor, Celine Dion. I don't like her music, but her output probably matches Mariah's in terms of tours and album schedules, and she probably lips as much as well. The difference being, Celine's voice has "aged", but in a graceful way. She can still sing well and her voice still sounds pleasant. If you're sitting here and saying Christmas Baby Please Come Home 2021 was a stylistic choice you are kidding yourself. I have sung semi-professionally (demos and backgrounds) since my mid 20s. I'm in my late 30s and don't have to resort to staccato singing as apparently every singer that enters their 30s has to, in your world. That is simply not true. (Monday 20 December 2021; 14:06)

Re: Interesting thought (99,211) (99,214) by Bill from the UK The same can be said for her songwriting partners. Women have only cropped up here and there but usually it's men that she collaborates with. (Sunday 19 December 2021; 12:53)

Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)

Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)

Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,163) by Bill from the UK Rhinoplasty may or may not impact a voice, the fact is you won't know until after you have had it. Great that yours didn't impact you, but Mariah's clearly did as her voice has never returned to the strong, voluminous, agile voice she had on her first four albums. You can tell on Daydream almost immediately that her voice is thinner and like she's singing with a blocked nose. Yes, she sounded better post breakdown, when presumably she stopped drinking or engaging in other vices, but it never came anywhere close to where it was 1990-1994, and quickly went downhill after the success of TEOM. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:14)

Re: Change (99,154) (99,156) by Bill from the UK She's been pumping a humidifier at her vocal chords since the late 90s. It doesn't work. And yes, of course rhinoplasty would impact your voice. The reshaping of the nasal cavity would massively impact the air passing through and your breath control. Why do you think her voice sounded full bodied on her first four albums, then nasally and thin from Daydream onwards? (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 21:02)

Re: Change (99,151) (99,152) by Bill from the UK Yes, I said this years ago and got crucified for suggesting such a thing, but the rhinoplasty plus her breast augmentation would have had an effect on her voice in terms of breath control and tone. Her voice lost its "body" in 1995 and the Daydream album was very nasally and brassy. Equally at this point her melisma became all disjointed too. Those elements (plus further rhinoplasty and breast augmentation later), and the overuse of alcohol and marijuana, have all contributed to the voice we have today. They were her choices and I'm sure she stands by them. As Mariah says, it is what it is. (Tuesday 14 December 2021; 17:32)

Re: Uncertainty (99,133) (99,138) by Bill from the UK Please Mariah. Do not remake Vision of Love. Please. (Monday 13 December 2021; 17:12)

Caterpillar (99,135) by Bill from the UK All this talk of Mariah "reimagining" tracks from Butterfly is making me nervous. Hero's reworking in 2008 was abysmal, and her voice was in relatively good shape back then, although nothing by comparison to the 1993 vocals. To take one of her most iconic albums and tinker with, what many consider to be, her masterpiece is such a massive gamble that I worry if it is going to pay off. Close My Eyes on The Rarities was a car crash, and I imagine everything else will be if she's using her 2021 voice. Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) did not sound good. At all. I'm sorry but a fact is a fact. The Butterfly anniversary needs to be commemorated with the original album remastered in high resolution, the videos upscaled to 4K, the accompanying tour released as a DVD and audio, and any outtakes from the original sessions. Plus a new booklet with some previously unreleased photographs from the album shoot. Otherwise, it's just another nail in the coffin for her legacy, by destroying an album that was so critically praised universally, regarded as her "magnum opus", and that contained her most delicate and vulnerable vocals ever recorded. It's a beautiful work of art. These intentions will be a massive step backwards and crap all over one of her best albums. (Monday 13 December 2021; 14:45)

Re: Tokyo Dome again? (99,097) (99,099) by Bill from the UK Yep it's a snooze fest. Even the audience barely even blink. Plus it's dubbed to within an inch of its life. (Friday 10 December 2021; 11:04)

Re: Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (99,084) (99,091) by Bill from the UK Lol, it's the same for everything she released after Touch My Body. (Thursday 9 December 2021; 19:47)

Re: Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree (99,072) (99,083) by Bill from the UK Precisely, Mariah's fans have nothing to do with AIWFCIY being a success, it's, simply put, just a brilliant song. If it was purely Mariah's fanbase that saw it reach #1 across the globe, Save the Day would have had the same success. But it didn't, because it was a horrific song. (Thursday 9 December 2021; 13:58)

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