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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Lip syncing (111,270) by Bill from the UK And the OGs. (Wednesday 17 September 2025; 17:46) this is a reply to message 111,263

Lip syncing (111,263) by Dove from United States I honestly prefer when she lip syncs nowadays. At least I know it'll sound good. The only people who notice are the lambs and the haters. (Wednesday 17 September 2025; 13:57)

10 days (111,234) by Bill from the UK Just 10 days until we finally get to hear new music. I don't know why but I am more excited for this album that I was for Caution and Me I Am Mariah. Something just feels different with this project. I hope there's some great moments on there. (Tuesday 16 September 2025; 14:42)

Here for it all (111,196) by Bill from the UK Eh. A bit disappointed this much hyped track contains profanity. It's so low rent and, as you say, no need for it. That's put a bit of a dampener on it for me sadly. I hope she isn't telling our good Lord above to "GTFO" on Jesus I Do. (Monday 15 September 2025; 10:16) this is a reply to message 111,186

Here for it all (111,186) by Stacey from USA Same. I don't understand the need to swear. Never have. I listened to the clip once, lol. I am doing my best not to listen to any clips until the album drops. I have never been successful. (Monday 15 September 2025; 03:46)

Mariah in Brazil (111,195) by Bill from the UK Shame to read this, but this has been Mariah's standard for a long time (except the concert in the UK, not sure what happened there or why she suddenly was "Mariah" again). The bad press and reviews will all come to a stop if she simply lets everybody know what the problem is. Medication? Fine. A bad back? Fine. An auto-immune disease? Fine. Everyone loves her and no one would think of her any differently, in fact, people like me would shut up and let her get on with it, as right now she just comes across as doing the bare minimum and in it for the money (which may also be the case). But, I know Mariah, and I know she has been dealing with something that started showing as early as the E=MC2 days, but has got progressively worse and worse, to the point where it is up there in neon flashing lights and still we sit here blaming it on high heels and nerves and nodules. (Monday 15 September 2025; 10:12) this is a reply to message 111,184

Mariah in Brazil (111,184) by Pedro from Brazil Yes, the look was great, but the concert was terrible. Nobody enjoyed it, and people thought it was awful how she didn't interact with the audience, kept staring at the monitors, and left the stage multiple times for long outfit changes. She barely sang, didn't even try to move around the stage, and now she's been getting a lot of backlash from both the media and fans, many of whom left halfway through the show. I just can't understand this lack of energy in her concerts lately. It feels like she doesn't even want to be there. I don't remember any Mariah concert ever being this bad before. Everyone in Brazil was disappointed. (Monday 15 September 2025; 00:10)

I'll be listening before hearing other people's opinions (111,192) by Bill from the UK Here's my version of MIAM that I playlisted, rather than the actual album: 1. Make It Look Good 2. Beautiful 3. You Don't Know What to Do 4. You're Mine (Eternal) 5. Cry. 6. Faded 7. Dedicated 8. Almost Home 9. Mesmerised* 10. Triumphant (Get 'Em) 11. The Art of Letting Go *I know it's not strictly from the era, but I think it fits. I trimmed all the filler and weak tracks out, especially One More Try and Heavenly, as they are so Frankensteined they don't even sound like her. (Monday 15 September 2025; 09:59) this is a reply to message 111,181

I'll be listening before hearing other people's opinions (111,181) by Edward from USA Definitely a missed opportunity. In my humble opinion, "Triumphant" was stronger than a lot of tracks on MIAM and deserved a spot on the album, yet it wasn't even included as a bonus track. When it first dropped, people complained that Mariah sounded like a guest on her own song, but then she came back with those incredible remixes that proved her voice was still very much there. I still jam to them today. I'm sure there are more gems from that era sitting in the vault, and when they finally see the light of day, we'll all be in for a surprise. (Sunday 14 September 2025; 21:01)

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,176) by Bill from the UK Yeh I was going to say the same. It was released on VHS at the time, and then later on DVD, then digitally. It's never really been out of circulation. The bootlegged concert was the Music Box tour, which to this day hasn't been released. (Sunday 14 September 2025; 11:33) this is a reply to message 111,173

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,173) by Lighty from China "The 30th anniversary edition includes Mariah's full live set from her 1993 Proctor's Theater show in New York - the show that a lot of fans only knew via bootlegs or partial tapes." I assume a lot of fans have already watched the full Here Is Mariah Carey vhs/dvd though. (Sunday 14 September 2025; 03:59)

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,157) by Bill from the UK I don't think anyone was disputing that sweetheart, it was a misunderstanding. (Saturday 13 September 2025; 11:06) this is a reply to message 111,156

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,156) by 4real4real from UK You are correct, this is not an echo chamber. However, an echo chamber is when existing beliefs or opinions are reinforced, not existing facts. Mariah's record is a fact which can easily be confirmed. It is not a belief or an opinion. Thank you. Stream Emotions. (Saturday 13 September 2025; 05:01)

Here For It All (111,135) by Bill from the UK Eddie how can you resist? I will be up at 00:00:01 on 26 September to listen to the album. It's been too long since we had new material. I can't wait to read everybody's thoughts on the album, the board will be abuzz I am sure. I'm highly anticipating "Jesus I Do", and the cover of "My Love". Question: do y'all listen to a new MC album in order, even playing tracks familiar (T-Dang and Sugar Sweet) or go straight to those tracks you want to hear first? (Friday 12 September 2025; 17:34) this is a reply to message 111,132

Here For It All (111,132) by Edward from USA Well, we're just weeks away from finally getting "Here For It All". I'm pretty sure the album will be online a few days early, since Amazon and other retailers usually ship so fans can have it by the release day. Seven freaking years... I really hope it's been worth the wait. Even if becomes available before September 26, I won't be listening until I have fully read all the comments here from day one. (Friday 12 September 2025; 16:52)

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,134) by Bill from the UK He was talking about consecutive number ones, not initial number ones. Mariah holds/held the record with her first five singles making #1. Whitney holds/held the record by having seven singles in succession reached #1. Both incredibly talented and accomplished singers, who were very good friends with each other. Let's not pit them against each other. (Friday 12 September 2025; 17:32) this is a reply to message 111,130

Here For It All streaming party countdown (111,130) by 4real4real from UK Whitney's first singles were Hold Me with Teddy Pendergrass which reached no 46, followed by You Give Good Live which reached no 3. She did not send her first five singles to number one. This record by Mariah is a well known and well documented fact and why are we talking about Whitney when it has nothing to do with Mariah's streaming party and the new album? (Friday 12 September 2025; 16:31)

JD interview on The Breakfast Club (111,112) by Bill from the UK Thank you for the summary. If I remember correctly, the Cream sample was originally intended for Always Be My Baby. Surprised it didn't then find its way onto the remixes JD did. As for TGIFY, I don't think anyone really dislikes it, more that amongst her number ones it's considered one of the more formulaic and basic numbers. The Make It Last remix far eclipses the original. I also felt there were too many voices on the song and it would have been better as just a duet between MC and Joe, it didn't really need 98 Degrees. (Thursday 11 September 2025; 17:06) this is a reply to message 111,106

JD interview on The Breakfast Club (111,106) by Randy from USA He starts talking about her at 30:00 on YouTube. It was a little enlightening. He claims she wants to go full out hip-hop. At one point early on she brought Cream by Wu-Tang to him and said I want to sing over that. He also said that she wanted to "rap" more over We Belong Together. I think he meant sing more with fast wordplay. He insisted on her sing that last note We Belong Together. He also said she can sing flawlessly when she wants to. She doesn't want to highlight how well she sings anymore. That kinda makes sense. I have noticed since she started having problems with her voice she wants to put emphasis on her being a songwriter or she thanks God for the gift of making music. She never wants to talk about her voice. MC doesn't want to put the effort into singing at a high level. He also says the audience wants the new Mariah records to sound like the old Mariah records. He says it's a struggle with all artists. They all want to change their sound despite the success and the brand that got them to the top. It was very interesting. In all the hoopla of promotion I thought yall may miss out on this. (Thursday 11 September 2025; 12:42)

VMAs (111,038) by Bill from the UK The outfit was not great, but the speech was brilliant. I was praying we weren't going to get some drunken rambling like we did when she won her award for Precious or when she was inducted into the SHOF, but glad to see she was coherent, well rehearsed, engaging and funny. Her relationship with Ariana is really so nice to see. Sort of like how Patti and Aretha revered and supported Mariah when she was Ari's age. As for the performance, it sort of is what it is at this point. No movement, badly lipped, but somewhat entertaining. The crowd loved it so I suppose that's what counts. I loved her plug for the album and that melodic "two weeeeks" line. We are all so excited to hear new music from her. I never wish my days away but I am beyond excited to hear the album, especially Jesus I Do. (Monday 8 September 2025; 21:06) this is a reply to message 111,024

VMAs (111,024) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I agree the outfit was not it hahah. And the performance was ok, very little movement. I wish she had the confidence she did in the other recent show, I can't remember what event it was, the one with the long ramp where she was walking up and down and interacted with a child. She seemed more relaxed there. (Monday 8 September 2025; 15:35)

Daydream (110,990) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. I'm not sure if One Night was originally planned to go on the album, as during The Rarities Mariah indicated she had completely forgotten about the song and it was never even titled (it was called "I don't know") until she was assembling the compilation. That indicates it never made it out of the sessions. Whether that was a Mariah or Tommy decision we don't know as she's never spoken on the song that much. Not everything is Tommy's fault. (Sunday 7 September 2025; 15:44) this is a reply to message 110,986

Daydream (110,986) by Lambi from USA Exactly, that proves my point. They already had Urban R&B tracks with ABMB and Long Ago, so the foot was already in the door. But they didn't want that sound dominating the project, so it got scaled back. In hindsight, Daydream was clearly the transition album, Tommy just couldn't face that yet. And let's be honest, cutting SA and ON didn't sit right with Mariah. She didn't go that hard on those tracks just for them to end up shelved. She intended them to make the album. (Sunday 7 September 2025; 10:44)

Daydream (110,984) by Bill from the UK So the fate of "Can't Let Go" was tied to the Emotions album. It wasn't performing as they expected (the debut went to number 1 so a tough act to follow), so in order to boost sales of the album, the physical single release of CLG was shelved in the US. The logic was that anyone that was going to buy the single would go and buy the album instead. That didn't happen and annoying Mariah missed out of what would have been her 6th consecutive number 1. (Sunday 7 September 2025; 07:58) this is a reply to message 110,976

Daydream (110,976) by Giovanni from USA I agree with everything on your post. If I'm not mistaken Tommy is also the reason "Can't let go" did not go to number one. I definitely think both "Slipping away" and "One night" could have made the album. "Daydream" is a great album and Mariah deserved at least one Grammy. (Saturday 6 September 2025; 17:51)

Daydream (110,969) by Bill from the UK I agree, the intro to One Night is as good as any of her other iconic intros, but then it just sounds like one big mess beyond that point with really immature lyrics etc. It would have really thrown the album off kilter. I would have maybe kept the intro only as an interlude to "Side 2", but the rest of the song can go spin for all I care. Daydream really is a masterstroke from beginning to end. (Saturday 6 September 2025; 11:02) this is a reply to message 110,966

Daydream (110,966) by Stacey from USA While One Night delivers amazing vocals, the song feels like two unfinished songs smashed together. It just doesn't work, IMHO. I'm glad it wasn't included on Daydream. Same with Slipping Away. I absolutely love SA, but again SA doesn't fit with the whole vibe of Daydream. Each song flows into the next. It is pouring rain right now. Perfect time to play some Daydream. (Saturday 6 September 2025; 03:28)

Daydream (110,955) by Bill from the UK "Open Arms" is indeed stunning and breath taking in its simplicity and understated beauty. I love the way she made it sound so "Mariah", in that it went from this 80s rock power ballad anthem to a gorgeous moving restrained ballad. "Slipping Away" is an amazing song, I don't think any will disagree, but I always loved its underground status it had. I agree I'm not sure it would have fitted in with the other tracks on Daydream. As for "One Night", a hard no and a hard pass from me. I was a bit shocked that was a Daydream outtake as it seemed more "E=MC2" to me. Adding it to the album would have detracted from its sophistication in my view. (Friday 5 September 2025; 10:06) this is a reply to message 110,953

Daydream (110,953) by Edward from USA "Open Arms" is one of Mariah's finest covers. The track that really deserved a spot on "Daydream" is "One Night". While "Slipping Away" is a great song, I don't think it would've blended well sonically with the rest of the album. Suggesting that "Slipping Away" should've replaced "Open Arms" is sacrilegious and a clear violation of the sacred "Daydream" code. Messing with the integrity of a Mariah's masterpiece is an automatic ban on this board. This time is just a slight reprimand, but don't let it happen again. (Friday 5 September 2025; 04:22)

Kai Cenat's stream (110,949) by Bill from the UK I couldn't watch it because it was so infuriatingly bad. Mariah looked great and I'm sure she represented herself well, but I'm guess I'm out of touch as the host was incoherent and an absolute unprofessional mess as was the others that materialised. I gave up after the Heartbreaker acapella when not one of them knew the word "incessantly". An absolute car crash and way below the standard Mariah should be at. (Friday 5 September 2025; 00:23) this is a reply to message 110,927

Kai Cenat's stream (110,927) by Edward from USA I how informal and real this interview is. Mariah is cooped up on that low chair not giving two f***s about it. She's alert, fun and interested. Very relatable. It's obvious Gamma was taking advantage of those 13.5M subscribers, who wouldn't? A well-deserved A+ for Mariah. (Thursday 4 September 2025; 00:21)

Penny Ford - I lose control (110,918) by Bill from the UK I Lose Control is amazing and a long time ago an "AI" edit was floating, but it got embargoed to the point that people thought it was actually Mariah's demo, as it included high notes and ad libs not in the Penny version. It sounded incredible and every day I curse myself for not downloading a copy when I had the chance. It was originally intended as Mariah's launch single, according to rumours. Everyone loved it but Mariah couldn't stand it, saying it was "stupid" and a "cheesy little uptempo ditty that I hated so much". This is why I think she never worked with NMW again, as she also didn't enjoy the "I Don't Wanna Cry" experience either, saying she wouldn't have titled the song that and that it went in a different direction to what she envisaged (more "Careless Whisper" vibe originally). In the liner notes for the debut album, she thanks her then-manager Don Ienner "for not making me 'lose control'". Apparently he was the only one who had her back around not including the song on the album at all, let alone it being the lead single, and advocated with Mariah for "Vision of Love" instead. Walden had reached out to Carey saying he still had the master tape for if she wanted to include it on The Rarities, but she never got back to him. I wonder how differently things would have panned out? A one hit wonder? A no hit wonder? The mind boggles. (Wednesday 3 September 2025; 17:52) this is a reply to message 110,907

Penny Ford - I lose control (110,907) by Lighty from China This song was intended for Mariah's debut album but got scrapped for unknown reasons. (Wednesday 3 September 2025; 13:02)

Super Bowl (110,858) by Bill from the UK Top of the Pops had a long period where artists lip synced purely I believe for technical reasons. There was then a period when TOTP insisted everybody perform live. I assume the studio was moved to one that could better accommodate that. It was during the peak of Euro Pop so it was hilarious seeing the club singers trying to recreate their songs live, some I remember being terrible. And then it was an "either or" situation, throughout the late 90s, then almost everyone lipped after that point. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 16:33) this is a reply to message 110,853

Super Bowl (110,853) by Lambi from USA I was wondering about that, why basically everyone lip-synced on TOTP. Was it a prerequisite or something? Apparently, when the show started in 1964, the British Musicians' Union had strict rules about live performances on television. To avoid conflicts over performance rights and royalties, the show used pre-recorded backing tracks, and artists mimed along. But yeah, Mariah did lip-sync during her "prime" years. I remember one of the Open Arms performances was mimed in Europe, probably because of jet lag. That would've been an exception though, not the rule. She worked hard on her voice and took pride in singing concerts fully live until '96, which is why she was so offended when Howard Stern accused her of lip-syncing. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:32)

Super Bowl (110,852) by Bill from the UK Oh. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 15:13) this is a reply to message 110,848

Super Bowl (110,848) by Bill from the UK ODB passed away in 2004 sweetheart. [Webmaster: They were fantasizing about Mariah performing at the SuperBowl in 1996. ODB was still alive.] (Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:50)

Favorite ballads list while we wait (110,851) by Bill from the UK I'll limit this to two per album: Vision of Love Vanishing And You Don't Remember Till the End of Time Anytime You Need a Friend Everything Fades Away O Holy Night Miss You Most (at Christmas Time) Open Arms Looking In My All Whenever You Call After Tonight Petals That'll do for now. Keeping it to the OG Sony run. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:58) this is a reply to message 110,834

Favorite ballads list while we wait (110,834) by Bobby A from United States I have 15 ballads on a SD card that I will listen to every day until Here For It All is released. Here is my list is: 1. I Don't Wanna Cry 2. Can't Let Go 3. Never Forget You 4. When I Saw 5. My All 6. Against All Odds 7. Never Too Far 8. Through The Rain 9. We Belong Together 10. Love Story 11. Inseparable 12. Camouflage 13. Portrait 14. There Goes My Heart Again 15. I Wish You Well (Sunday 31 August 2025; 02:04)

Super Bowl (110,849) by Bill from the UK Mariah started lip syncing in 1994, towards the end of the year. The first I can remember is Without You at a Christmas special of Top of the Pops, then it was just downhill from that point on. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:53) this is a reply to message 110,840

Super Bowl (110,840) by Lambi from USA Wait, imagine Mariah actually booked Super Bowl in '96 when she still refused to lip sync. My goodness, she would've slept for 72 hours and completely crush it. Imagine the vocal prowess? This is hypothetical by the way, it wouldn't be realistic since she was still way too new to get this gig, but just for fun. With the hits she had at the time. What should be on her Super Bowl set list? (Sunday 31 August 2025; 09:14)

Super Bowl (110,848) by Bill from the UK ODB passed away in 2004 sweetheart. [Webmaster: They were fantasizing about Mariah performing at the SuperBowl in 1996. ODB was still alive.] (Sunday 31 August 2025; 14:50) this is a reply to message 110,846

Super Bowl (110,846) by Lambi from USA I love it. We should bring Brandy, ODB and TLC as starring guests. Full on 90's galore. (Sunday 31 August 2025; 13:20)

MC the GOAT (110,797) by Bill from the UK I think we all agree Mariah deserved some acknowledgement that night, due to it being the pinnacle of her career. But there's no point us still being bitter about a 30 year old event and still blaming Tommy, who had nothing to do with how that night unfolded. All it did was make Mariah realise she didn't need him. Mariah was still supported massively by Sony during the separation and after the divorce. I mean look at the budget the Heartbreaker video had. The videos, the tours, the non-stop global promotion. The issue was Mariah moved away from the adult contemporary audience that she curated during the beginning of her career, so her sales dipped, and she blamed the label (like Michael Jackson did). Rainbow was not Daydream. Invincible was not Thriller. (Friday 29 August 2025; 08:17) this is a reply to message 110,788

MC the GOAT (110,788) by Lambi from USA "Biggest label asset." I thought that too. But that argument starts to fall apart after 1997. You can be the biggest talent in the room and it still won't matter if you cross the wrong man. And that man was Tommy. The CEO. Once personal lines were crossed, the machine turned on her. From that point on, neither numbers nor talent could protect her. I get that the Grammys have always followed a certain playbook. They tend to snub mainstream pop acts in favor of what they see as more "serious" or "artistic" choices. But let's be honest. She deserved at least one win. Pop Vocal Performance, bare minimum. There was no competition. Her going home empty-handed wasn't just a miss, it was wrong. And it will always be unjustified. When something feels that personal in a business this political, it probably is. Just look at the timeline. The Grammys happened in February 1996. Then the Always Be My Baby remix dropped in March 1996. These signals to us that Mariah had just been made freshly aware, by Da Brat, that none of this was okay. We should be able to get french fries. She was at peak resentment, like a teenager pushing against the walls, desperate for freedom. And we shouldn't pretend the Grammy voting is made up of respected musicians either. It's insiders. Industry people. Moguls and their friends. Most likely interconnected with the same people who were at that dinner where Mottola canceled Thanksgiving. And if he had the power to cancel an entire holiday, do you really think he couldn't tug a few in voting board? By the way, there's no direct quote from Mariah confirming that Mottola promised her Grammy wins or that she changed outfits for each award she expected to win, either. This is rather the one, that's a complete nonsense. I would argue that the humbling and derailment of Mariah began as early as Tommy's extra psychotic episodes pre-divorce. The machine didn't wait for her to spiral. It moved the moment she showed signs of no longer being manageable. His message was clear: "I have power here, you don't. Do you want Grammys? Stick around then." (Thursday 28 August 2025; 23:40)

MC the GOAT (110,776) by Bill from the UK That's nonsense. Show me the evidence Tommy infiltrated the Grammys to sabotage his then-wife and biggest label asset. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, both Tommy and Mariah were furious as Tommy had assured her she would clean up, to the extent he arranged for her to wear a different dress/outfit for when she collected each award. Mariah was shunned because 1) the competition was genuinely tough that year and 2) the industry felt Mariah got a lot of special treatment and wanted to prove Tommy couldn't always get what he wanted. It worked both ways; after she left Sony he used all his influence to derail her career. Whilst at Sony he did everything he could to make her a success. (Thursday 28 August 2025; 17:18) this is a reply to message 110,755

MC the GOAT (110,755) by Lambi from USA The Academy hates Mariah. It's very apparent Tommy infiltrated the board in '96 and wanted to humiliate the crap out of her since they were on the brink of divorce. They still objectively did her dirty during TEOM when she blatantly deserved AOTY and refused to give it to her. Though the Grammys are desperate to save their credibility now, they thought making Beyoncé the most awarded in 2023 would reel in ratings, but it backfired. The general public's sentiment was, "Nah, she good, but she not that good." It worked for them having her until around 2015 imho, but everyone truly woke up after she won Best Country Album last year. Everyone thought, "Okay, so sponsored and paid by Jay-Z," which we all know is true. It's so clearly her retaliation for being snubbed in the Country Music Awards, so they called their friends up in the Grammy board. It was a pathetic move though, it's sadly backfired and now most of America think the Grammys is a joke. It turns out all the small towns throughout the nation know the authentic country sound and America is not just LA and New York. Anywho, MC did surprisingly get an invite to the Grammys to present for Miley, so maybe they've cooled off on Mariah and are finally ready to develop a decent relationship with her. "Actually, so people think we're rigged and we need real talent again. You down?" (Thursday 28 August 2025; 01:53)

I Don't (110,702) by Bill from the UK Whilst I agree the video for I Don't is hideous, the song itself I never minded that much. In fact, it could easily have been sequenced into Caution, along with Unforgettable. It would have helped beef the album out a bit and sonically both those tracks work with the other songs in my opinion. Much how I would rather have had Almost Home and Triumphant replace the two cut and paste duets on Me I Am Mariah But Also Mimi The Elusive Chanteuse Which Is What Everybody Calls Me Honest. (Monday 25 August 2025; 15:41)

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