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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,292)
by John from USA
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MC's team has no restrictions with you posting on this board again?
(Friday 20 February 2026; 15:26)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,291)
by Lambi from USA
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Geronimo, I really appreciate that you are passionate about deeper topics but you are fundamentally wrong about Mariah on this one. Those in the files are blackmailed and have been heavily protected by the media.
The complete opposite of how they treat Mariah. She took a rather catastrophic slave beating from the media apparatus when she ran away from the plantation. She was persona non grata the moment she stepped out of Sony. That does not reflect someone who is protected or part of an inner elite circle.
Furthermore, when she was 12, she was left alone with older man who was obviously plotting and made her whole entire body freeze the moment he leaned in for a kiss, should signal to you, she's never ever going to put herself in that situation or be in the vicinity of that demonic culture.
I understand your insinuation as these celebrities are slowly being exposed for who they are but to put Mariah in the same category is completely unfair and makes me question: Have you not watched a single interview? Have you not read a chapter in her memoir? After listening to I Wish You Well or My Saving Grace, do you seriously not sense that she is a force for good?
(Friday 20 February 2026; 11:21)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,291)
by Lambi from USA
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Geronimo, I really appreciate that you are passionate about deeper topics but you are fundamentally wrong about Mariah on this one. Those in the files are blackmailed and have been heavily protected by the media.
The complete opposite of how they treat Mariah. She took a rather catastrophic slave beating from the media apparatus when she ran away from the plantation. She was persona non grata the moment she stepped out of Sony. That does not reflect someone who is protected or part of an inner elite circle.
Furthermore, when she was 12, she was left alone with older man who was obviously plotting and made her whole entire body freeze the moment he leaned in for a kiss, should signal to you, she's never ever going to put herself in that situation or be in the vicinity of that demonic culture.
I understand your insinuation as these celebrities are slowly being exposed for who they are but to put Mariah in the same category is completely unfair and makes me question: Have you not watched a single interview? Have you not read a chapter in her memoir? After listening to I Wish You Well or My Saving Grace, do you seriously not sense that she is a force for good?
(Friday 20 February 2026; 11:21)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,287)
by Geronimo from USA
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MC attests to her own morally perverted childhood, herself. Her book tells the tale. Read it if you're the reading type. She told you she likes them dangerous. Believe her. "Like" is the operative word. That indicates choice.
Speaking of judgment, she didn't just cross paths with the people I mentioned. Those were her chosen associates - two of whom were her chosen lovers with plenty of "time to reflect" between choices. Her childhood exposures reflect her notable adult choices - pure and simple.
There are plenty examples of people with similar and worse backgrounds than MC's who made morally divergent choices when choice was theirs to make compared to the choices that were forced upon them as children.
Thou dost protest too much.
(Friday 20 February 2026; 03:10)
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HFIA breakdown (113,290)
by Lainsky from Philippines
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It seems Mariah has shelved HFIA and the deluxe edition idea. Typically, I listen to her latest album almost every day for the next six months to a year after purchasing it. However, I realized that it's only been five months since HFIA was released, and I haven't played it much in the past month or this month. Don't get me wrong. I like HFIA, but I guess I love playing her 90s' album more lately. In fact, I've been playing "Breakdown" more than any of her other songs. I loved it back then, and I love it even more now, including the music video. Lambs of my age can't help but feel nostalgic these days.
(Friday 20 February 2026; 05:18)
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Probably no deluxe (113,289)
by Bobby A from United States
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I guess I will be the first to say again that the deluxe version is probably off the table.
(Friday 20 February 2026; 05:00)
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I had a dream (113,288)
by Bobby A from United States
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I had dream last night that MC would be back on top again in 2028. Here is what I dreamed about.
1. MC releases her 17th album entitled, I'm Back (In Arms Your Again) - JD/BMC/Crystal Johnson/Johnta Austin collaboration 2. She collaborates again with Walter A., Babyface, JD, Skillrex, and some top producers and songwriters of the last 10 years. 3. Critics rave that MC's voice is back. Some say her Butterfly tone is back to stay. Her whistle range is "Emotions" strong again. 4. The first single makes it to number one in less than 5 weeks. 5. Many Lambs say the Bruno Mars, Sza, Toni Braxton, and Fred Again collaborations are their favorites. 6. MC embarks on a 30-city summer/fall tour in the U.S. The first show is at Proctors Theater. The last show is at Madison Square Garden. 7. The second single is a Pop R&B ballad collaboration with Walter A. and Babyface that is reminisce of Love Takes Time and Everytime I Close my Eyes. 8. One year later after the release of a deluxe version, eight Grammy nominations, numerous of television performances, a Rock and Hall of Fame Inductee, and the 2029 Superbowl Half-time show performer, MC finally wins multiple Grammy awards including Album of the Year and Record of the Year at the Grammys. 9. MC sits down with Oprah for a May TV sweeps interview about her remarkable career and the rollercoaster ride of 2028 and 2029. 10. MC finally falls in love again with a wealthy NFL coach.
(Friday 20 February 2026; 04:54)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,287)
by Geronimo from USA
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MC attests to her own morally perverted childhood, herself. Her book tells the tale. Read it if you're the reading type. She told you she likes them dangerous. Believe her. "Like" is the operative word. That indicates choice.
Speaking of judgment, she didn't just cross paths with the people I mentioned. Those were her chosen associates - two of whom were her chosen lovers with plenty of "time to reflect" between choices. Her childhood exposures reflect her notable adult choices - pure and simple.
There are plenty examples of people with similar and worse backgrounds than MC's who made morally divergent choices when choice was theirs to make compared to the choices that were forced upon them as children.
Thou dost protest too much.
(Friday 20 February 2026; 03:10)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,267)
by Edward from USA
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It just dawned on me that according to your logic, anyone who's ever crossed paths with a criminal is automatically guilty by association. If so, Mariah should be burned at the stake for the crimes of Diddy and R. Kelly, and we're all going to hell every time we listen to "Honey" and " Betcha Gon Know". That's not moral reasoning, it's medieval thinking, dahling.
Being mentioned anywhere near the Epstein files is not proof of wrongdoing, and pretending it is doesn't magically make it true.
Your take on her "morally perverted upbringing" is especially gross, diagnosing someone you don't know, based on speculation you can't back up. That doesn't sound insightful, it sounds like projection to me.
If simply knowing the wrong people makes someone morally tainted, then by your own standard you must live a perfectly sanitized life. In that case, congrats, sainthood awaits. Amazon has customizable halos, just in case.
And really, who are you supposed to be, the moral police? Get off your high horse. For the rest of us, evidence still matters.
(Monday 16 February 2026; 18:37)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,286)
by TJ from Norway
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To me, the viste notes haven't been nice to listen to lately. Drop them. I rather listen to her chest voice.
And Edward. How dare you? We all know that she hasn't fixed anything.
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 20:31)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,284)
by John from USA
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I agree. I think regaining her chest and head tone vocal ranges and fixing the vocal damage far outweighs her retention of the whistle note range. Maybe she could go to the studio and record a whole barrage of whistle runs and background vocals and highlights she can use for later recordings, so that in case she loses her ability to do whistle notes, she can still put them in future albums. It would be an intense recovery post-surgery and she would have to swallow her pride and take speech training with a competent speech pathologist, and also singing/vocal training from real (not these celebrity vocal trainers that praise J-Lo to keep their job and say You did that Kween).
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 16:51)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,285)
by Bill from the UK
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I think that ability was lost years ago and it's been AI for a while to be perfectly honest. Other than screeching out "it's tiiiiime" once a year she hasn't sung a live whistle since 2009.
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 18:00)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,284)
by John from USA
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I agree. I think regaining her chest and head tone vocal ranges and fixing the vocal damage far outweighs her retention of the whistle note range. Maybe she could go to the studio and record a whole barrage of whistle runs and background vocals and highlights she can use for later recordings, so that in case she loses her ability to do whistle notes, she can still put them in future albums. It would be an intense recovery post-surgery and she would have to swallow her pride and take speech training with a competent speech pathologist, and also singing/vocal training from real (not these celebrity vocal trainers that praise J-Lo to keep their job and say You did that Kween).
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 16:51)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,284)
by John from USA
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I agree. I think regaining her chest and head tone vocal ranges and fixing the vocal damage far outweighs her retention of the whistle note range. Maybe she could go to the studio and record a whole barrage of whistle runs and background vocals and highlights she can use for later recordings, so that in case she loses her ability to do whistle notes, she can still put them in future albums. It would be an intense recovery post-surgery and she would have to swallow her pride and take speech training with a competent speech pathologist, and also singing/vocal training from real (not these celebrity vocal trainers that praise J-Lo to keep their job and say You did that Kween).
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 16:51)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,276)
by Giovanni from USA
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Very interesting, thanks for your reply. I would do it too. I would say a prayer and ask God that everything goes well and also make things right with him just in case. I so want to see MC sing strong again.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:00)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,283)
by Edward from USA
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Everybody knows her tits are natural. Her pushup bras have been doing the heavy lifting ever since 1999. Some people are just jealous.
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 15:12)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,282)
by jaker20 from US
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That's a little too strong. Maybe she's had a lot done on her face, but nothing extreme like other artists. Even now in her 50s, she looks naturally beautiful. Now about her breasts, that's another story.
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 03:47)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,282)
by jaker20 from US
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That's a little too strong. Maybe she's had a lot done on her face, but nothing extreme like other artists. Even now in her 50s, she looks naturally beautiful. Now about her breasts, that's another story.
(Thursday 19 February 2026; 03:47)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,281)
by Jamie from UK
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That doesn't surprise me, her voice started changing during [Daydream] which is when I suspect she had her first rhinoplasty. Vanity can be the devil sometimes, a bit of Botox here and there and skin treatments are fine but there was nothing wrong with her face and features before she started messing with it.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 23:11)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,281)
by Jamie from UK
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That doesn't surprise me, her voice started changing during [Daydream] which is when I suspect she had her first rhinoplasty. Vanity can be the devil sometimes, a bit of Botox here and there and skin treatments are fine but there was nothing wrong with her face and features before she started messing with it.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 23:11)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,273)
by Shezz from Pk
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There is a YouTube channel called VMariah and they have released several videos on the evolution of her voice, its downfall etc (mostly focusing on her live performances) all while remaining very respectful to her and even hopeful.
I came across a new one the other day where they speculate that she might have had a reconstruction surgery in 2023 after LA Pride when she disappeared for 4 months and how it changed the tone of her voice completely but had mixed affects. Interesting take on it since her voice is always up and center in discussion.
They even did a series called the Art of Lipsyncing which showed how and when she started incorporating playbacks decade wise.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 06:00)
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Confetti & Champagne (113,280)
by Terna from Nigeria
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Haha, this made me chuckle. "Confetti and Champagne" is my absolute favorite too from the new album, like I loved it instantly while it was just about one minute in, the first time I played it, it's such a vibe. I think that's the radio factor taken into consideration making it that short, gives it replay value where it is never enough and you just want more and more. Hehe. I think it will take off on social media too - that chorus is just infectious.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 13:42)
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Confetti & Champagne (113,278)
by Giovanni from USA
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I can't remember if I have already posted this but it's a disgrace this song is less than 3 minutes and not 4 or 6 minutes lol. Mariah how could you? I'm gonna need Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Mariah to scold you viciously. I need a 4 minute version of this song asap.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:44)
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Up out of my face (113,279)
by Giovanni from USA
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I absolutely love UOOMF. Such a fun song with fun lyrics. I don't care for the remix with Nicki or the video, the solo version is the best and I will never stop saying how I wish Mariah still had her 2009 voice. I want it back so bad lol.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:50)
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Confetti & Champagne (113,278)
by Giovanni from USA
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I can't remember if I have already posted this but it's a disgrace this song is less than 3 minutes and not 4 or 6 minutes lol. Mariah how could you? I'm gonna need Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel Mariah to scold you viciously. I need a 4 minute version of this song asap.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:44)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,277)
by Giovanni from USA
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The thing is Mariah has really not used her whistle register that much on her last two albums. I know most would not care if she lost it if it meant getting her voice back. But I like the way you think about trying certain things before doing the surgery.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:07)
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by MusicfanJ from Germany
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The funny thing is most people don't like her trademark "the whistle". I loved it on her debut and "Emotions". There are fantastic songs like "Dreamlover", "Bliss" and "Bringin' on the heartbreak" with her epic whistle. But it was clearly overused and not needed in many other songs. Her deeper tone has the real magic. But I would be afraid of surgery, if it's not needed, because of health issues. I guess there's always a risk, no matter how good a doctor is. I would first try to loose the bad habits and relax.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 11:43)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,276)
by Giovanni from USA
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Very interesting, thanks for your reply. I would do it too. I would say a prayer and ask God that everything goes well and also make things right with him just in case. I so want to see MC sing strong again.
(Wednesday 18 February 2026; 08:00)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,274)
by Zachariah from Croatia
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I would do it in a a second. I can live without her whistles. Sometimes, they can get pretty annoying in some songs.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 09:01)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,275)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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The funny thing is most people don't like her trademark "the whistle". I loved it on her debut and "Emotions". There are fantastic songs like "Dreamlover", "Bliss" and "Bringin' on the heartbreak" with her epic whistle. But it was clearly overused and not needed in many other songs. Her deeper tone has the real magic. But I would be afraid of surgery, if it's not needed, because of health issues. I guess there's always a risk, no matter how good a doctor is. I would first try to loose the bad habits and relax.
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,274)
by Zachariah from Croatia
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I would do it in a a second. I can live without her whistles. Sometimes, they can get pretty annoying in some songs.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 09:01)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,274)
by Zachariah from Croatia
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I would do it in a a second. I can live without her whistles. Sometimes, they can get pretty annoying in some songs.
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,269)
by Giovanni from USA
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That's why I want her to get the nodules removed. I know it's not my voice and I myself do not like the idea of being put under the knife but I think I'd do it. I would recommend Mariah get Dr. Steven Marc Zeitels, the man who did Adele's surgery. I read somewhere that the only risk would be Mariah losing her whistle register. Would any of you do the surgery if it meant getting your voice back and being able to sing again?
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 00:48)
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,273)
by Shezz from Pk
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There is a YouTube channel called VMariah and they have released several videos on the evolution of her voice, its downfall etc (mostly focusing on her live performances) all while remaining very respectful to her and even hopeful.
I came across a new one the other day where they speculate that she might have had a reconstruction surgery in 2023 after LA Pride when she disappeared for 4 months and how it changed the tone of her voice completely but had mixed affects. Interesting take on it since her voice is always up and center in discussion.
They even did a series called the Art of Lipsyncing which showed how and when she started incorporating playbacks decade wise.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 06:00)
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by Giovanni from USA
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That's why I want her to get the nodules removed. I know it's not my voice and I myself do not like the idea of being put under the knife but I think I'd do it. I would recommend Mariah get Dr. Steven Marc Zeitels, the man who did Adele's surgery. I read somewhere that the only risk would be Mariah losing her whistle register. Would any of you do the surgery if it meant getting your voice back and being able to sing again?
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 00:48)
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Sweetheart (113,272)
by Lighty from China
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Live snippets here we go.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 03:14)
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Sweetheart (113,270)
by Giovanni from USA
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I had no idea it was a cover either lol. If you have a stereo system "Sweetheart" sounds great on it. I'm always singing "You love I need your love", "Romance". I would love to hear Mariah do a live snippet.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 00:52)
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We can't be friends by Ariana Grande (113,271)
by Giovanni from USA
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This is the hit song Mariah needed for HFIA. When I first listened to it for some reason I thought of Mariah and her current voice. I wish she had done a song with that type of music. I think it's one of Ariana's best songs and becoming one of my favorites. I think they should both write a song together one day.
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by Giovanni from USA
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I had no idea it was a cover either lol. If you have a stereo system "Sweetheart" sounds great on it. I'm always singing "You love I need your love", "Romance". I would love to hear Mariah do a live snippet.
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I love it too, Giovanni. Try listening to the original. You can find it on YT. Mariah and JD made it better. I did not know it was a remake. I only found out a decade later, lol. It occurred to me that all the additional singles on her No. 1s are remakes, except for "When You Believe", which is also on Whitney's album.
(Monday 16 February 2026; 03:57)
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by Giovanni from USA
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That's why I want her to get the nodules removed. I know it's not my voice and I myself do not like the idea of being put under the knife but I think I'd do it. I would recommend Mariah get Dr. Steven Marc Zeitels, the man who did Adele's surgery. I read somewhere that the only risk would be Mariah losing her whistle register. Would any of you do the surgery if it meant getting your voice back and being able to sing again?
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That rare flower that is Mariah's voice (113,262)
by John from USA
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I'd like to think of Mariah's voice as that rare flower that only blooms once every few decades (maybe centuries) - beautiful, exquisite, and unique in its fragrance, yet fragile and short-lived. There was a time in the early 90s where I thought (heck, bragged to friends) that what Mariah can sing is only limited by the heights of her imagination and creativity. L ooking back though, there has always been glimpses that Mariah's voice has always been fragile. Even at the very beginnings of her career, she has always stated she would wake up everyday not fully knowing how many octaves of her voice she can access one day versus the next. Her voice, while she was young, responded to her usual vocal rests and humidifiers, but became less and less reliable as the years went by. It didn't help that she had such difficult songs to sing, that required her to use as much vocal real estate compared to the other members of the vocal trinity. I saw one video that analyzed how Whitney never really went to the extremes of her vocal range (higher and lower extremes) in her concerts. Celine resorted to masterfully miming the high notes and belts early on, which likely helped preserve her voice for much longer. The latter two, by the way, are also natural sopranos. Mariah is a natural alto with soprano capabilities. That she is able to match and even go beyond what these two sopranos could reach vocally is amazing in and of itself. As Mariah got older, the good days (reliable days with wider access to her full vocal range) had become fewer and fewer, with less reliable days became more the norm. I can imaging how that would have been an even bigger handicap to her stage fright. She was a vocal natural, honed further by whatever informal training she got from her opera singer mother. As these unreliable days became more frequent, she eventually developed bad (compensatory) vocal techniques. It didn't help that she did nothing to correct this by getting more vocal rest, or changing her lifestyle and giving up bad habits. Despite all these however, what remains is Mariah's distinctive and unmatched tone. You'll see Whitney and Celine vocal impersonators left and right, some quite convincing in their mimicry, but there is no one that can fully embody Mariah's unique tone. It's amazing how in the latter years, with each album, I notice a little bit more vocal strain and vocal decline. And yet, when I listen to those more recent albums, I still find something I'd appreciate about that distinctive voice, worn and torn as it had been. She is a vocal athlete who did feats I used to marvel at. But just like an Olympic athlete who can no longer win a gold medal decades later, I will not hold that against her that she can no longer match those feats three decades later. She is the ultimate vocal Olympian. Her voice is one of a kind and I am glad to have experienced it and awoken to it in my formative years. As a child, this once little boy had never listened to radio before, until Mariah came along. This is why I became a fan, and remain one to this day.
(Sunday 15 February 2026; 22:18)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,268)
by Giovanni from USA
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Like Stella, who we all miss haha.
(Tuesday 17 February 2026; 00:40)
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Type Dangerous: MC and the Epstein files (113,265)
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Tommy pursued Mariah and crossed the boundary between a boss and his employee. MC trusted Tommy thinking he would heal her childhood wounds and guide her career. I think MC has always looked for a male friend or partner to give her that fatherly guidance that she longed for from Alfred Roy. L.A. Reid comes to my mind being that positive father figure in her life and career. If you could pull back the many layers of her traumatic childhood, you would understand why she gravitated towards certain men and women after Tommy.
(Monday 16 February 2026; 02:02)
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