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Christina Aguilera (112,875) by Dove from United States
I don't see her as a competitor. (Céline, yes.) I used to kind of like Christina when I was younger, but now every time I try to listen to her, it sounds like nails on a chalkboard.

The audacity she had to run her mouth about Mariah when she (Christina) was first starting out is unbelievable. She was super rude to contestants as a judge on The Voice too. I think she's even said negative things about Britney. Her mean-girl attitude is the final nail in the coffin for me. Her ego outweighs her talent.

I know people say that about Mariah now that her voice is not what it used to be but I don't see it the same. At one point Mariah's voice was magic and otherworldly. Legendary, even.

Also, I feel like Mariah only shades people who come for her first, and even then it's mild. She doesn't go after people just to be cruel.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 12:18)
Nah (112,874) by Lambi from USA
Mariah was deeply embarrassed. Aretha hand-picked her for that moment, but it was Céline who ultimately gave Aretha that moment. The entire world saw it. Mariah's reaction was hilarious when Céline finally accepted the challenge in Testimony. Mariah plays it off like she did it out of respect, but we could also argue that it's disrespectful to decline the clear invitation from Aretha.

Now imagine if Whitney had been there, or Gladys Knight, or Chaka Khan. They would have done the same thing because that's what church-bred gospel singers do. They ascend together and revel in each other's talent when they're anointed. There's obviously no hint of disrespect in that exchange.

There's another layer to consider. That night, Carole King was Céline's personal guest. During Natural Woman, she was supposed to open the song, but Aretha sang over her and took her part. It wouldn't surprise me if Céline was a little irritated by that, because she spent the rest of the night going toe-to-toe with Aretha and held nothing back.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 12:12)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,873) by Lighty from China
I only corrected those "insignificant technicalities" because those were the only things that were, well, technically wrong. Maybe I should've studied law and become a lawyer as Bobby A said. Just kidding.

I said I mostly agree with you on this topic and I truly meant it, expect for, maybe the My All video part. Everyone can have their own interpretation of a music video and that's fine.

Well back to this topic, I always had this feeling that Mariah treat other female singers in distinctively different attitudes: respect the senior divas (Aretha, Patti, Whitney, etc.); friendly to the industry recognized divas (Janet, Mary J, Beyonce, etc.); indifferent or somewhat bitter towards some of the vocal powerhouses (Celine, Christina Aguilera, etc.); acknowledging some younger generations depending on whether she "knows" them or not (Rihanna, Ariana, Taylor, etc.); and somewhat hostile towards certain ones (Madonna, JLo, etc.).

The difference between Celine and JLo is that Celine had the voice, the hits, the sales that might've threatened Mariah during a certain period, so I think Mariah more or less treated her as a competitor more than just a label mate. Meanwhile JLo, quote Mariah, "Her thing is something different". She was like Tommy's weapon to take Mariah down with the Firecracker sample and Ja Rule feature incidents. It is natural that Mariah treated her as the "thief" for stealing her most cherished thing, which is music and songwriting.

At the end of the day, Mariah never really spoke ill of Celine except for maybe that Divas Live thing. But for JLo, Mariah will never know her.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 11:44)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,872) by Bobby A from United States
This conversation is very interesting. It is like watching two lawyers battle in the courtroom.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 10:56)
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Nah (112,871) by Dove from United States
I don't think I even noticed the drama when I first watched it. I thought maybe they rehearsed it that way. I was surprised none of the other ladies went harder. I used to listen to the CD a lot back then and I appreciated Celine's contributions on the whole album. You can show what you've got and still be respectful, I think.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 10:49)
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Nah (112,870) by Bill from the UK
It's weird because I also watched DL on its original air date (and recorded to video the undubbed original version - where Aretha's performance of A Rose Is Still A Rose is not cut and Carole's mic isn't muted during Natural Woman). I remember feeling there was something "off" with Mariah's voice, I put it down to tiredness at the time, but it was more raspy and gritty than ever. The touched up DVD/CD version sounds a lot better but the actual vocals on the night seemed like every note was a struggle and effort, which was never the case previously.

And as for the finale with Celine. All I remember is being annoyed that Aretha walked over to Mariah, put her arm around her, brought her to the stage, and *invited Mariah to sing with her* and Mariah said "Jesus" three times then stepped back. Obviously Mariah knew she couldn't compete and after a night of singing in a relatively bad form, probably couldn't handle it. I don't buy this whole "I was respecting the queen" line she spews out every time it's mentioned.

I also think Celine was gracious in her behaviour, as Aretha was clearly asking the singers to "help her lift it" and none of them did. Céline saw Aretha originally picked Mariah, who shrank back, and only after seeing Mariah not do anything did she step in to not leave Aretha hanging. She was the only one capable that night, vocally speaking, of matching Aretha's energy and power. We need to be real and face facts. This whole "Celine was disrespectful" narrative has got to end. She was doing what she was paid to do that night and what Aretha was asking one of the singers to do.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 10:42)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,869) by Lambi from USA
I was speaking metaphorically. Mariah took the Titanic-esque elements in her My All music video, with the overturned boat, isolated and alone in the vast ocean, very much like Rose in the movie. She did it in a more refined aesthetic way. It's kind of her way of showing Céline how it's done because the MHWGO music video came across as cringe.

I also agree about Divas Live. Aretha clearly just wanted to sing with Mariah, which made Mariah feel very special, but when it came time to help Aretha lift it at the end, only Céline rose to the challenge and completely owned it. She did absolutely nothing wrong. She hit the same notes she hits in every live performance, and this time Aretha happened to be there. Mariah didn't have access to those high belts and reacted bitterly.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 10:41)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,868) by Lambi from USA
Yeah, it's your default to only correct the most insignificant technicalities. It's fair to bring up and I appreciate being corrected too, but at the very least acknowledge the broader points, otherwise you're inevitably going to come across as obnoxious. TJ did a great job by raising something he felt was slightly inaccurate while also adding depth and genuinely enriching the topic.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 10:26)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,867) by Lighty from China
And by the way I think you're mixing up MHWGO and The Power of the Dream. MHWGO was written by James Horner and Will Jennings and the soundtrack version was produced by Horner and Simon Franglen while the album version was produced by Walter, if that's the situation you were talking about.

Meanwhile, The Power of the Dream was written and produced by David Foster, Linda Thompson and Babyface. There was only one version of this song, no difference between the version Celine sang at the Olympics and album version. David Foster was even playing the piano behind her at the Olympics Games ceremony.

I don't mean to be nitpicking, it's just some clarification of facts. If that annoys you, I should rest my case now.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 05:41)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,866) by Stacey from USA
Exactly. It was a hard pill for me to swallow. I had to resolve my expectations for MC's music vs Mariah's new direction. I found myself having to accept MC's new direction Butterfly onward and find my beauty within that direction. So while an album like Glitter isn't my fancy, man I'm glad she made it because we got a song like Lead the Way.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:42)
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Happy New Year (112,865) by Edward from USA
Happy New Year to my MCArchives family. Eric, 28 effing years, impressive. Thanks for keeping the site running for so long.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:42)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,864) by Lighty from China
What same label? Arista/BMG had nothing to do with Sony back in 1992 just as James Horner and Will Jennings had nothing to do with The Power of the Dream. Point is, I mostly agree with you on Mariah's bitterness towards Celine. It's just that facts are facts, I can't help but point out some of the false information here.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:40)
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Nah (112,863) by Dave from USA
I highly doubt Celine was even a factor specifically for Mariah at that time. She was too busy being free and/or worrying about the moves Tommy was obviously making behind the scenes. MC was the 90's. They all were successful, but that was Mariah's peak. I highly doubt MC was pressed to that degree at all to the point of any bitterness on that scale. Besides, her artistic shift changed from the total pop sound.

Having been one of the OG fans that saw DL in real time for that performance decades ago, I thought the same thing that MC stated in her book, that being "Why is Celine taking over like that over all of them, especially Aretha?" I just figured later that that was how she performed, but it stood out when it happened back then and all the way until MC mentions it in her book. I felt people were being overdramatic about Mariah's comments about Celine in her book to make it seem way bigger than it was.

Obviously, Celine didn't care either way.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:31)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,862) by Lighty from China
Simply because your information is incorrect. James Horner and Will Jennings have nothing to do with The Power of the Dream.
(Friday 2 January 2026; 03:28)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,861) by Lambi from USA
I used a reconstructed list based on Sony-family artists. 1992 is a crossover year. Whitney can be argued due to The Bodyguard’s late-year impact. Different metrics, same label. And even if I wrote Mariah for 92, that only makes my point stronger about the frustration of her post-95 decline. So what exactly are these none-debunkings supposed to do?
(Friday 2 January 2026; 02:12)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,860) by Lambi from USA
You're mixing up songwriting credits with production credits and versions. The Power of the Dream was originally written by James Horner and Will Jennings for the 96 Atlanta Olympics, that's the composition Céline performed and the collaboration people refer to.

David Foster, Linda Thompson, and Babyface were involved later on the commercial recording/album version, mainly in production and adaptation, which is why their names appear in liner notes.

So yes, they contributed, but that doesn't erase Horner and Jennings as the original writers, or the fact that Horner and Céline had already worked together before Titanic. And how that was such a determining factor as to why Céline was the first and only choice for MHWGO.

I'm really sorry but you are objectively being annoying now, Lighty. Please refrain from the tiniest most insignificant and debunkable technicalities. Is that honestly all you have to add?
(Friday 2 January 2026; 01:54)
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Happy new year (112,859) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain
Happy new year, lambily. So proud of being part of this. Kiss and hugs.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 21:25)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,858) by Lambi from USA
Yeah, plenty of people have said that to me as well. I used to think it made sense at first glance, mainly because Mariah did have a career image change. But that argument start to fall apart when you look at the timeline. She quite literally did When You Believe the year after MHWGO's release. Mariah was definitively still doing ballads and was very much still in the Adult Contemporary arena. She even released Butterfly the song that same year, which is unmistakably Adult Contemporary.

Realistically, if she had been offered MHWGO, she likely would have tried to protect her integrity by asking about the movie and proposing a new song. Probably something less schmaltzy. She offers an alternative, it gets rejected because James Cameron is fully locked into his vision. At that point, Mariah understands that the film world operates differently and decides this is the most expensive movie ever made, so she just does what they asked of her, to just sing and that's the end of it.

And no, by 97 she may have started with Lead The Way, but the songs she was writing at that time were fully intended for the Butterfly album. Mariah herself has revealed that the songs that ended up on Rainbow were initially meant for Glitter. Because she was eager to get out and complete the number of albums she still owed Sony, she went ahead and released another album anyway. That is exactly why Rainbow was done in three months.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 18:59)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,857) by TJ from Norway
You say: "In my honest opinion, Mariah was simply bitter about Celine being positioned to carry on her torch as the best Sony selling artist. So she chose to make fun of how corny the MHWGO music video was by responding with a much stronger, more refined aesthetic built around the same theme. It was a silent clap back."

I really can't remember Mariah being bitter about that song (or Celine), or making fun of it back in the 90's. But I might have forgotten it. Do you think the video for My All is less corny than MHWGO? I'm not sure.

Another thing is that Whitney was not a part of Sony Music back in 1993 and therefore wasn't their biggest selling female artist that year.

About the Divas Live concert. I have always been thinking that Mariah said what she said about respecting the queen of soul and not trying to outshine her as a result of the fact that her voice was in a bad shape on that concert. She wasn't able to try to go where Celine did that day.

The voice you hear on the CD/DVD is dubbed in some parts and not what they aired on VH1. It was very notable on the duet with Aretha.

On the other hand I don't think Celine did anything wrong that night. Why on earth isn't it OK to show the world what you are made of?
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 16:57)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,856) by Jamie from UK
I'd say it was more because Céline stuck to her trade. Mariah post 96 lost a lot of support with the direction she took. I'm not personally saying it was a bad thing, as I like both directions she had. But she lost a lot of fans who didn't like the change.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 16:13)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,855) by Lighty from China
Whitney was on Arista/BMG in 1992, and the merge between Sony and BMG didn't start until 2004. Sorry for getting technical again.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:32)
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Was Celine the original JLo? (112,854) by Lighty from China
If we still get technical, The Power of the Dream was written and produced by David Foster, Linda Thompson and Babyface. None of them had anything to do with MHWGO. But I get your point, Celine had sung too many theme songs by that point of her career.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:25)
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Article: Mariah thrills at Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve 2026 (112,853) by Zachariah from Croatia
She slayed.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 15:06)
Was Celine the original JLo? (112,852) by Lambi from USA
Well no, Mariah never intended My All to ever be a theme song. Her being involved in movies was a clear no no. If you read her book, the song was organically inspired by Derek Jeter, not by any film concept or soundtrack opportunity. Sony would have never pitched any of her songs to be theme songs to begin with. If she were ever involved in that space, it would mean exposure to movie theme song scorers, movie directors, and writers. Mariah would have connections. Soundtracks are often used as stepping stones into acting, which is a very common path, and that would naturally lead to deeper film involvement. That kind of access and independence is exactly what Tommy heavily avoided for her at the time.

In my honest opinion, Mariah was simply bitter about Celine being positioned to carry on her torch as the best Sony selling artist. So she chose to make fun of how corny the MHWGO music video was by responding with a much stronger, more refined aesthetic built around the same theme. It was a silent clap back.

Here's the list of Sony's best selling artist in the 90s, just so you can see the picture clearer and understand how tight the competition truly was:

1990: Mariah
1991: Mariah
1992: Whitney
1993: Mariah
1994: Mariah
1995: Mariah
1996: Celine
1997: Celine
1998: Celine
1999: Celine

Post 95, Celine absolutely dominated Mariah. It's easy to see why Mariah felt some type of way. It hit even harder because she worked twice, if not three times, as hard, writing basically every song on her records while carrying the pressure of being Sony's standard-bearer. Her competitor only sang, and the contrast was impossible to ignore. This is exactly what I mean when I say Mariah inevitably developed a misplaced disdain towards Céline. Sony backed her rival with songwriters and resources, creating a level of support that was clearly imbalanced and frustrating for anyone in her position, who wrote every freaking song. By Divas Live, her frustration towards Céline was on full display. None of the other girls said a word about Celine's brief battle with Aretha, it was only Mariah who let it show. And it most likely stemmed from a deep-rooted issue of feeling heavily undervalued by Sony, for years.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:58)
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Happy New Year everyone (112,851) by Bobby A from United States
Happy New Year everyone. I wish everyone a blessed and properous new year. Thank you Eric for keeping the board going for 28 years.
(Thursday 1 January 2026; 13:57)
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