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Toronto shows (101,793) by BFF from United States I think Mariah should take personal responsibility like Linda Ronstadt did and retire from live performing. Ronstadt stopped performing in the late 2000s because she was uncomfortable charging people money to see performances in which she was basically just shouting. Linda Ronstadt has a degenerative condition - progressive supranuclear palsy - that rendered her unable to sing. As far as we know, Mariah has no such condition and just chooses not to train and exercise her voice and take care of her physical health the way she needs to. The constant lip syncing, the altering of prerecorded tracks to disguise lip syncing, the shout-singing, the mediocre vocal performances are impossible to ignore and are really disrespectful to the people who pay good money for the shows. This would be okay with Janet Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears, et cetera who are mostly about choreography, but it's not okay for someone known for singing. (Monday 12 December 2022; 17:38) this is a reply to message 101,782

Toronto shows (101,782) by Terna from Nigeria Watching the clips, [one] can tell she's really struggling to put on a "singing" show but her voice is really not having it, so she talk sings or alters the melody. I really wish Mariah would get professional help. Now she's also having lower range issues as seen in the "Emotions" and "My All" clips with the unintentional vocal breaks. Another thing I noticed is the repertoire itself isn't the best for a singer her age seeing as it was written "16 to 25 minutes ago", she's missing a lot of qualities that were there before which enabled her sing so well – [agility], fluid and seamless registers, stamina in terms of youth etc just the ease of singing she once had in [general] which was an amalgamation of all these factors and more working hand in hand. It's [sad] to see the last of the two true [divas] struggling; with Celine and her health issues and Mariah and her waning instrument. (Sunday 11 December 2022; 15:46)

Mariah on Colbert (101,765) by BFF from United States I thought it was great. Her vocals were great, and I could tell she did not pre-record them. They sounded like Daydream era. And she sounded so witty and articulate talking about being mixed, dah-ling. She looked like a skinny legend. I love hearing her tell the same stories over and over, and how dare anyone on this board criticize her for it. I cannot wait to hear the pre-recorded tracks she's using for her Christmas shows and cannot wait for the repeated breaks for tea, champagne, wardrobe changes, and hair and makeup. (Friday 9 December 2022; 19:38) this is a reply to message 101,752

Mariah on Colbert (101,752) by Randy from USA As I'm writing this, I realize why she's so insecure. We really do pick apart everything about her. But since we have a little extra time. Start with the positive. She looked amazing. I love the ponytail. I love that her foundation matched her skin perfectly. And she looked like money. Now, Randy will speak. She is interesting to listen to but at times it's just too immature for a 50+ year old woman. She's not a ditz but she seems to revel in playing one. She's so excited to check off every talking point in her head, she speaks in fast garbled sentences. But MC we know you wrote the song. We know you are mixed. We know you didn't go to class. We know your Christmases were ruined. With all that said, I was never bored and could not take my eyes off of her. I don't think she came off likeable to the non fan. And how weird was it that she walked out to Natural Woman? Number one, she has the most famous original Christmas song of all time blazing the charts. Number two, she has the largest catalogue of number ones of any living artist. And did anyone else get the feeling Steven Colbert was like wtf, she's crazier than I expected, the whole time? What do y'all think? (Thursday 8 December 2022; 06:21)

Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,730) by BFF from United States I remember thinking that Mariah looked great, happy and healthy during 2003, especially during the tour. I found the album itself pretty underwhelming because I felt Mariah's singing on it was too restrained. The production and lyrics on most of the songs were really good, but I couldn't understand why Mariah did not let loose on every song the way she did on "Bringin' on the Heartbreak". I remember the Rolling Stone review of the album commenting that the Def Leppard cover was the best moment on the album and kind of agreeing with that. (Sunday 4 December 2022; 15:53) this is a reply to message 101,727

Charmbracelet - 20 years (101,727) by Randy from USA I remember a lot about that era. I couldn't believe how beautiful Through The Rain was and the video is stunning. She was still doing lipping climaxes to the records, but she was on every show, despite not having a hit single. The View, Oprah, Matt Lauer interviewed her, MTV gave her a special. I didn't care for a lot of the album and at the time, I remember one reviewer stating that she did so many different things on the album that it was like mixing watercolors only to end up with a puddle of brown. I remember Lyor Cohen saying that she brought class to DefJam. It was a time where MC garnered respect because of her earlier hits that weren't as far away, but Glitter wasn't the nail in the coffin. Charmbracelet was the first and last time I would pay to see MC live. She lipped most of it. I was in full fan mode that night with butterfly and rainbow stickers all up and down my arm. It definitely is a moment. Through The Rain is the only way I make it to work many days. I still play Lullaby and Subtle Invitation. The rest of it is largely forgotten. But the era isn't. (Saturday 3 December 2022; 23:26)

QOC (101,713) by BFF from United States Bill, I'd like to remind you that pointing out anything that is unflattering to Mariah is insulting and demeaning. All posts must be reviewed by Mariah's team of expert sycophants to determine if it's flattering to Mariah. If it's flattering, we will allow it to move forward as "facts". If it's not flattering, the information cannot be mentioned. (Wednesday 30 November 2022; 22:33) this is a reply to message 101,709

QOC (101,709) by Bill from the UK It was about where on earth you got the notion she "graciously stepped aside" on the matter. That's your interpretation based on the fact her legal team didn't respond within the time limit, nowhere has that been stated. Not by Mariah, her representatives, or any publication. As always you make up little embellishments to strengthen your opinion/narrative. What probably happened, and I am speculating here, is that Mariah's team saw all the backlash from her attempt to trademark a phrase, as virtually every publication that wrote about it saw it for the money grab it was, and realised it would be more damaging to her brand than beneficial if she were to pursue it. (Wednesday 30 November 2022; 14:28)

Article: Drama with Donna Summer (101,687) by BFF from United States Unfortunately, that kind of behavior tracks. If true, Mariah had a lot of nerve to come at Donna Summer like that. On a more positive note, Donna Summer sounded great singing "Reflections" on that show. Too bad she got pushed out of the Supremes medley portion, though she probably would have out sang both Mariah and Diana. (Sunday 27 November 2022; 14:29) this is a reply to message 101,683

Article: Drama with Donna Summer (101,683) by Jimmie from USA I heard this story before, but what I heard on another blog like site from someone who said they worked at the Divas 2000 show was that Donna had a relatively nice dressing room, but it was Mariah who had a fit when she found out Donna's dressing room was nicer than hers. Donna was the first person Diana personally asked to be on the tribute show to Diana, so it's possible she got first choice of dressing rooms. The site said Donna graciously gave up the room to Mariah. Here's the source. (Saturday 26 November 2022; 16:45)

Irene Cara (101,685) by BFF from United States I know, right? I love Irene Cara and think it's unfortunate she never had any big hit albums. Most of her musical success came with songs she recorded for soundtracks. (Saturday 26 November 2022; 21:27) this is a reply to message 101,684

Irene Cara (101,684) by Terna from Nigeria Hers was one of the most clear voices I had ever heard growing up and I fell in love with her immediately. It's unfortunate that she did not get bigger than she should have, but the music she released would always speak. Rest in peace songbird. What a shock. What is it with death everywhere this year? (Saturday 26 November 2022; 18:17)

Macy's performance (101,678) by BFF from United States Bill, she's on "vocal rest" in preparation for the pre-recording of tracks to lip sync to for her "Merry Christmas to All" shows. You're being so unfair. (Friday 25 November 2022; 21:25) this is a reply to message 101,673

Macy's performance (101,673) by Bill from the UK Who'd have thought MC would lip sync. Colour me stunned. You're looking at $150-200 for one ticket to the Christmas concert. Plus travel and hotel if you're not based in New York. If you want to pay that much to watch her lip sync, get her hair and make up fixed on stage, bemoan the lighting, stick a finger in her ear, ramble on about her ensemble, drink champagne, and bark out an off key "EH" every so often, that's your prerogative. Thank God I saw her in 1996 on the Daydream tour when she was actually a competent and capable singer. (Friday 25 November 2022; 15:19)

Macy's performance (101,672) by BFF from United States Randy, I have no idea what you're talking about. Mariah lip syncs? That absolutely never happens. She's just performing the "album version" like she did with "We Belong Together" on NYE 2016. I thought everyone loved the album version? Why would you ever expect Mariah to sing live any way? The cold outdoor air hurts her vocal cords and she can't hear herself with the crowds. As a medical expert in the field of vocal chord trauma, I recommend that Mariah complete all performances from home via Zoom call in a room full of humidifiers with a full team of sound engineers. We must also allow for 30 minute breaks every two songs for tea, makeup and wardrobe changes. (Friday 25 November 2022; 13:57) this is a reply to message 101,669

Macy's performance (101,669) by Randy from USA Can I just say this. Janet Jackson, Britney Spears, Ciara, JLo, Paula Abdul can lip sync without criticism. Mariah Carey who is considered one of the best vocalist of all time cannot. Patti Labelle is 99 years old. She woulda sang. I know. I know. It was outdoors, her ear monitors weren't working, it was air conditioning outside, she has nodules, her humidifiers weren't working in her sleep chamber, her background singers were too loud. The funny thing is... her lip syncing wasn't a surprise to me. The mic is a prop at this point. But y'all really excited about her Christmas concerts? It will be the best cut and paste lip sync performance in history. Kinda like the 1996 Grammys. (Friday 25 November 2022; 04:21)

QOC (101,649) by BFF from United States I don't understand why Mariah insists upon doing tacky stuff like this. It makes her look incredibly narcissistic, selfish, and vain. I wish she would just stick to the holiday music, performances, movies, books et cetera. (Thursday 17 November 2022; 22:19) this is a reply to message 101,641

QOC (101,641) by Edward from USA You took the words out my mouth. It is in fact ridiculous to try to monopolize anything Christmas' related. It's good we have a legal system in place to avoid stuff like that. (Wednesday 16 November 2022; 16:34)

In honor of "It's Time" (101,632) by BFF from United States 10 Favorite Mariah Holiday recordings (not ranked) 1. When Christmas Comes 2. O Holy Night 3. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen 4. Joy to the World (Celebration Mix) 5. All I Want for Christmas is You (1994 Original) 6. Jesus, Oh What a Wonderful Child 7. Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 8. Jesus Born on this Day 9. Miss You Most (At Christmas Time) 10. Santa Claus is Comin' to Town 10 Great non-Mariah Holiday recordings: 1. Please Come Home for Christmas - Charles Brown 2. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree - Brenda Lee 3. Someday at Christmas - Stevie Wonder 4. Last Christmas - Wham 5. The Christmas Song - Nat King Cole 6. Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) - Darlene Love 7. Don't Save It All for Christmas Day - Celine Dion 8. Run Rudolph Run - Chuck Berry 9. Feliz Navidad - Jose Feliciano 10. Winter Wonderland - Aretha Franklin Honorable Mention: Where Are You Christmas? - Faith Hill. I imagine Mariah singing it and get very mad at Sony and Tommy Mottola re: Mariah's version not being the one in that film. (Sunday 13 November 2022; 22:34)

Alternative playlist (no #1's or #2's) edition (101,586) by BFF from United States 1. Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise) [Def B' Fly Mix] 2. If It's Over 3. Anytime You Need a Friend 4. Underneath the Stars [Drifting Remix] 5. Never too Far 6. Right to Dream 7. Meteorite 8. Do You Know Where You're Going To? 9. Loverboy [Firecracker Version] 10. When I Feel It (Wednesday 2 November 2022; 15:52) this is a reply to message 101,564

Alternative playlist (no #1's or #2's) edition (101,564) by Matty from Vancouver Canada What if Mariah did a show with no #1s (10 song max)? Here's my set list: 1. #Beautiful 2. GTFO 3. Caution 4. Heat 5. I'm That Chick 6. You Got Me 7. Last Night a DJ Saved My Life 8. The Distance 9. O.O.C 10. Dedicated (Thursday 27 October 2022; 21:55)

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,563) by BFF from United States What are you talking about? Mariah cares *deeply* about women's rights. She's woman and it's her civil right to sing poorly for dictator cash. (Thursday 27 October 2022; 19:54) this is a reply to message 101,553

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,553) by TJ from Norway The fact that she decided to do that performance is such a disappointment. No money is worth that. Where is her political thoughts, the women's right, the people's right? I hope she picks up a newspaper before she decides to do such a thing again. (Wednesday 26 October 2022; 22:35)

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,543) by BFF from United States What are you talking about? "Vision of Love" sounds just as good as it did in 1990. There's nothing wrong with Mariah's voice. She sounds amazing. Yas queen. (Tuesday 25 October 2022; 16:49) this is a reply to message 101,518

Concert in Saudi Arabia (101,518) by Randy from USA Because I'm an MC fan a lot of things come across my social media. She is struggling through this performance. She needs to give Vision of Love a rest. (Sunday 23 October 2022; 14:05)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,396) (101,398) by BFF from United States I remember that. I love Joni Mitchell, and I actually really like a lot of the songs on "Misses". (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 19:33)

Re: Just another Side Effects (101,394) (101,395) by BFF from United States What about "Triumphlop"? Or Mariah's best music video of all-time "I Don't"? I think Mariah should release a compilation album called "Greatest Flops" just for us fans. (Tuesday 4 October 2022; 15:43)

Re: The Pitchfork lists (101,384) (101,386) by BFF from United States It's not bitterness as much as it is skepticism. Pitchfork didn't even bother to review a Mariah Carey album until 2014 when "Me I Am Mariah" was released. The publication didn't pay much attention to any genre other than indie rock during the 1990s and 2000s and has always had an elitist Brooklyn hipster vibe. So my question is "Why now?" after years of ignoring Mariah and other artists deemed "not cool enough". (Sunday 2 October 2022; 21:44)

The Pitchfork lists (101,381) by BFF from United States I'm glad to see Mariah getting some love, but, to me, it feels a little forced at this point. I mean, how many years did most of us on here spend loving Mariah when it wasn't cool? How many of us went out on 9/11 to buy the "Glitter" album because we knew there would be some gems on there? And do we really need Johnny come lately hipsters to tell us how great of an album "Butterfly" is? And as much as I love "Fantasy" with ODB and "Always Be My Baby", Mariah has far better songs in her catalogue. I honestly think the ODB collaboration is a bit overrated and that songs like "Breakdown", "Crybaby", and the "My All" So So Def Remix are better examples of Mariah's genius integration of hip-hop into her style. (Saturday 1 October 2022; 15:09)

Re: Global Citizen (101,323) (101,343) by BFF from United States I'm going to try and be as positive as possible about the performance. The dress looked nice. The Metallica joke was funny. Her pre-recorded tracks sounded good. (Tuesday 27 September 2022; 03:01)

Re: Global Citizen (101,293) (101,300) by BFF from United States Songs she should not perform: 1. Shake it Off 2. Touch My Body 3. Obsessed 4. I Know What You Want Songs I'd like her to perform: 1. Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise) 2. Honey 3. Make it Happen 4. Vision of Love (Friday 23 September 2022; 15:23)

Re: Another taste of honey (101,266) (101,276) by BFF from United States Yeah, how do you call a 6-minute interview a documentary? I don't think fans found out much about the video that we didn't already know. (Tuesday 20 September 2022; 16:34)

Re: My All (101,258) (101,263) by BFF from United States Agreed. I remember listening to most of those #1 songs from 1998 over and over and over. I know R. Kelly is an unsavory character, but I quite liked that Celine/R. Kelly duet. My grandma really liked Celine Dion, so thinking of that song reminds me of her. "The Boy Is Mine" was also a huge favorite. And that song "Too Close" was super catchy but incredibly inappropriate for me to be listening to when I was 10 lol. (Sunday 18 September 2022; 23:55)

Re: If Butterfly single was released (101,240) (101,244) by BFF from United States I think it could have had a chance at #1 if they timed the commercial release correctly. It was getting quite a bit of airplay for a song without an official release. The Elton John single was #1 mostly based on single sales. "Butterfly" may have only gone to #2, but I still think it should have been released. It is one of her best ballads, and "Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise)" is excellent and adds a whole different dimension to the song. (Saturday 17 September 2022; 15:03)

Re: Butterfly 25 (101,200) (101,205) by BFF from United States What's interesting is that Billboard is reporting it as "eight new tracks from the Butterfly sessions", which makes it sound like we are getting songs from the vault. (Thursday 15 September 2022; 16:47)

Re: Butterfly 25 (101,200) (101,204) by BFF from United States I was hoping for "vault" recordings rather than re-recordings of songs from the 1997 track listing with other artists. Surely, she has "demo" versions of songs like "Make You Happy", "Last Chance", "Head Over Heels", et cetera. But, hey, I guess we should be grateful for whatever we receive (Thursday 15 September 2022; 16:10)

Re: I wish for Butterfly: unplugged for Butterfly 25 (101,173) (101,175) by BFF from United States Agreed. I appreciate Mariah making the effort, but the re-recording of "Close My Eyes" for "The Rarities" was not that great. If that rumored track listing for a "Butterfly" re-release is real, I would be very happy. (Saturday 10 September 2022; 19:31)

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