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Random thought (110,896) by jaker20 from US Yeah the people she collabs with defines the music, they will sound like it is from that era. Collab with Walter for example will sound like 90s diva vocals, JD etc would sound Emancipation era, and so forth. Their works are so recognizable from different eras, aka, dated. Is there hunger for that sound? If she collab with younger producers, they can still be ballads, but more current and lyrical. And with the state of her voice, that's probably a good direction. For example, she would totally sound gorgeous with Finneas' Break My Heart Again or something similar. (Tuesday 2 September 2025; 19:52) this is a reply to message 110,881

Random thought (110,881) by dicky kw from indonesia Yeah. They've been wanting her to work with new songwriters/producers but after she did exactly what they wanted, now they expect her to collab again with JD. (Monday 1 September 2025; 18:57)

MC the GOAT (110,809) by jaker20 from US They are different. Butterfly is more artistic, and Daydream is very commercial and in the moment. Art and commerce don't have the same criteria in comparison. They're just different. Personally I listen to them depending on my mood. If I'm home and contemplating, I listen to Butterfly. If I'm in the park or doing my groceries, I listen to Daydream. (Friday 29 August 2025; 19:47) this is a reply to message 110,803

MC the GOAT (110,803) by BFF from United States I honestly think that "Butterfly" is superior to "Daydream" as an artistic effort. I wish "Butterfly" had been recognized at the 1998 Grammys in the categories where she was nominated. The songwriting and production are just better than on "Daydream" and she approached the vocals with more restraint. Rich Juzwiak's review of the album for Slant Magazine really encapsulates why "Butterfly" is her best album. The hip-hop elements were incorporated in a very classy manner and were not overdone like they were for some songs on "Rainbow" and "Glitter." I think "One Sweet Day" deserved to win something, but Seal's "Kiss From a Rose" was also a really great song from that year. It was a little strange to award Best Pop Album to "Turbulent Indigo" by Joni Mitchell - I have that album and it is not one of Joni Mitchell's best. She lost best female pop vocal performance to Annie Lennox's "No More I Love You's", which is kind of silly too. "Fantasy" is definitely a better record than that one. She lost best female R&B vocal performance to Anita Baker and Album of the Year to Alanis Morissette. There was a lot of competition for Mariah from all directions, but I do agree she should have won something considering she was nominated for so many and considering how successful the album was. Maybe she would have won some awards at the 1996 Grammys if "Daydream" had been released a little earlier in 1995? "One Sweet Day" and "Always Be My Baby" did not really catch on as hits until 1996, so they may not have had enough exposure by the time of the award ceremony. (Friday 29 August 2025; 15:44)

"Mirage" (110,786) by jaker20 from US Many attribute Mariah's comeback to TEOM era, so they are constantly looking for that WBT to repeat. Because it's really Charmbracelet and I Know What You Want, before the TEOM era, that got her out of the Glitter funk. It's not a big success but I don't think TEOM would have happened without it. So I think it's going to take a couple of tries for Mariah to have a big comeback again, if it's ever going to happen, maybe it's too late, who knows. But it is the Mariah situation. People don't know her anymore other than as a Christmas lady. Cher's Believe didn't happen suddenly either. Heart of Stone, Love Hurts paved the way. Right now, I just want this album to be good, and to keep making good music. (Thursday 28 August 2025; 21:26)

Unexpected allies (110,785) by jaker20 from US Sure that sounds just like a sweet sweet fantasy baby, when I close my eyes, and everybody loves each other. That's also not real. I can be sanctimonious and say, well not me, but it's a nasty industry full of fake and backstabbing people thrives, and fans are just as bad. Mariah and Madonna fans have been going at each other since the 90s. That kind of died down a bit, but it's still there there. On social media, biggest Mariah haters are either Madonna or JLo fans. But during the last few years, Swifties are going up the ladder. JLo fans is understandable considering the history. But there's the love for music. And there's also the success claims, and shooting for the standard and that's Mariah. And if you don't see it then congrats I guess. (Thursday 28 August 2025; 21:11) this is a reply to message 110,758

Unexpected allies (110,758) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Lambs were never jealous of Madonna's success anymore than we were jealous of Whitney's, Janet's, Celine's, Shaniah's, Toni's, Britney's, X-Tina's, Taylor's or even Ariana's success. I rebuke it. I have bought at least 5 of the aforementioned artists albums at the height of their popularities all while being a Lamb 200%. I have an overall great taste in music. I don't discriminate. What moves me moves me. It's not a premeditated decision. I'm hoping most people are still like this but maybe not. Oh, well. Jealousy is a bitch we might have heard of and seen in passing but in the end - we just don't know her. The only difference between now and then ("back in the day") is that everything wasn't so precious all the freaking time. When JLo and Tommy stole from Mariah, we heard about it in real time from multiple sources, including Mariah herself and receipts were shared. The same stuff happens these days but it's a whole different ballgame. The gatekeeping is strong af. There's an oligarchy of sorts that's been dominating The Anglo-Music World for 2 decades and it's straight politics. Really, the whole entertainment game is just one long political campaign. Mariah's not a schmoozer, never was and never will be. That's to her credit. Taylor Swift is very much a publicist's dream client. No need to elaborate. Unexpected allies, ey? As Mariah Carey famously coined in the 90's (and Celine borrowing her quote verbatim): "There's room for everybody," when asked what she thought of other female A-list artists. This has since evolved into - We Love Everybody. These things make me happy. (Thursday 28 August 2025; 04:26)

Type Dangerous Initial Talk Remix (110,746) by jaker20 from US Wait, why do I like this more than the original and all the official remixes. (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 20:54) this is a reply to message 110,737

Type Dangerous Initial Talk Remix (110,737) by Lighty from China I stumbled upon this mashup remix of Type Dangerous by Initial Talk on YouTube. It's so good, sounds nostalgic yet fresh. I don't recall anyone sharing this here so I posted. My favorite work by Initial Talk was Real Groove (Studio 2054 Initial Talk Remix) by Kylie Minogue & Dua Lipa. Such a great track. (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 12:05)

Unexpected allies (110,745) by jaker20 from US I doubt it. I think Swifties in general have been nasty towards Mariah over the last few years. I think they are jealous of Mariah's legendary career in the same way that lambs used to be jealous of Madonna's legendary career. I don't think Taylor Swift deciding to release her album a week after Mariah's was by chance. She intended to do that. She's trying to show how big her current career is in relation to another legend, albeit someone past her prime. But Mariah will come back in the holidays like she does every year. (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 20:49) this is a reply to message 110,740

Unexpected allies (110,740) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So Kanye West is releasing his album on the same day as Mariah and I’m hearing rumblings about Swifties planning to stream Mariah to block Kanye since Kanye and Taylor have beef. I don’t know if it will gather steam but Swifties have done it before. (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 15:02)

#Beautiful video (110,744) by jaker20 from US The video is bad and is low budget. They didn't even go in a proper location. It is the first Mariah lead single video that has no story and concept. All her lead single videos, apart from Loverboy, have some kind of story or good concept since Honey: Honey Heartbreaker Through the Rain It's Like That / WBT TMB Obsessed (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 20:43) this is a reply to message 110,736

#Beautiful video (110,736) by Giovanni from USA Do not and I repeat do not come for the "#Beautiful" video. Mariah looks sexy as hell and so does Miguel haha. (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 10:20)

I Don't (110,710) by jaker20 from US The video for H.A.T.E.U. is also shockingly bad. I was even more chocked to find out that Bret Ratner directed it who directed her more iconic videos. The bathing suit is so unflattering, I can’t believe she let them put her in it. There is no way she selected it. But again, looking low-budget for a high caliber director. It bothered me so much, because I absolutely love love the song. This happened a lot in the 2010s, solid songs wasted by bad videos. #Beautiful is another one. (Tuesday 26 August 2025; 07:24) this is a reply to message 110,705

I Don't (110,705) by Giovanni from USA I actually liked I Don't, the video is horrible though. I feel like if Mariah had her Emancipation Of Mimi voice the song would have been better. She was not a good place vocally in 2017. (Monday 25 August 2025; 19:41)

Mariah's best videos (110,697) by jaker20 from US I love Up Out My Face video, it's cute and it has a good concept. I wish Mariah had done more conceptual videos in her career. I would say it's one of Mariah's last videos that I like. After that, a lot of her videos are so random with very little to no concept. Her videos in the 2010s have not been really good and badly produced and low budget, up until A No No, which I really like. (Monday 25 August 2025; 08:46) this is a reply to message 110,681

Mariah's best videos (110,681) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Oh gosh I didn't know Nick directed that. Well good job because I love every shot. I know he gets hate for the "Up out of my face" video because people say it looks like an ad for Target but I really enjoyed that video too. Matches the playful nature of the song. (Sunday 24 August 2025; 01:48)

Music videos (110,696) by jaker20 from US That is one of the worst Mariah videos ever. That and Auld Lang Syne. I can't believe she's in it, when I first saw it. She looked great, but it's like low budget and shot on an iPhone. At least Auld Lang Syne is camp. (Monday 25 August 2025; 08:05) this is a reply to message 110,689

Music videos (110,689) by Dove from United States I had a mini marathon the last few days watching all of MC's music videos. I don't like the video for I Don't but what I really liked about it is her makeup. It's the best it's ever looked IMO. I like her outfits in the video for Say Somethin' the most. I really hope we get a lot of really good music videos this era. *fingers crossed* (Sunday 24 August 2025; 15:38)

Mariah's best videos (110,636) by jaker20 from US 1. It's Like That / We Belong Together 2. Honey 3. Touch My Body 4. Boy, I Need You 5. Obsessed 6. Shake It Off 7. All I Want For Christmas (2019) 8. Make It Happen 9. Hero 10. O, Holy Night Honorable mentions: I Still Believe Through The Rain A No No I Stay In Love Dreamlover My All Breakdown It's very likely that either director Joseph Khan or Brett Ratner will be there to give the award. (Friday 22 August 2025; 05:21)

Mtv Video Vanguard Award (110,632) by jaker20 from US Maybe they will release a new video during the show. I read somewhere here that Mariah's shooting a video in Brazil, so hopefully that's for the new single or Sugar Sweet. Mariah has done some really amazing videos. I even like the ones where she's just singing or pretending to sing. I thought the video production of "O Holy Night" is really good, and that's one of the reasons that its become a standard in the album. On her new career path as a Christmas lady, she should lift a few songs from that album and release a solid video every holiday season every year. She's promoting the same album anyway right? Miss You Most At Christmas could be a new classic for her if she does. The two singles from Music Box (Hero and Without You) are also well produced videos. I know people will think "that's just her singing in a concert", "they have no concept". But if you watch the full concert, you just know from the production of those two sets that they thought they will be singles, they put a lot more effort in the camera angles, lighting, Mariah's performance is more animated, audience captured, and all. I mean don't you just hate it when Mariah belts a note in 90s and she's out of focus and its not captured on camera for posterity's sake? They did that a lot in Top of Pops when she was at her peak. It's sacrilege. Anyway, from a concept perspective, my favorites are: Shake It Off, the back-to-back serialized style of Its Like That / We Belong Together, Obsessed (with Mariah pretend-acting as two characters, and one of my all-time favorites Honey. Mariah had a lot of great music videos, and its well-deserved award. (Friday 22 August 2025; 00:53) this is a reply to message 110,629

MTV Video Vanguard Award (110,629) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Mariah is reported to recieve the MTV Video Vanguard Award at this years MTV Video Music Awards. I am absolutly over the top happy about the news, but it is almost also the epitome of irony, that Mariah, who has never won an MTV Video Music Award, will receive the top notch award. It's actually ridiculous and almost an offence to Mariah. But maybe it is MTV's way of apologizing to Mariah for never have given her an award before. Mariah gets respect in places she was ridiculed before, but after many years she gets recognition, as has have been the case many times before. Mariah will may not get her "Believe"-moment, but to get this award, will be equivalent to the success of Cher, in that sense that this will give much more publicity for Mariah in years, it's almost a 18th number one hit-moment, when she surpassed Elvis, but also because this is a freaking nice award to get at 56, after 35 years in the business. (Thursday 21 August 2025; 21:22)

Songs Mariah should cover (110,594) by jaker20 from US I wish Mariah had covered more of the male 80s soft rock, and turned it into an album. Without You, Open Arms, IWTKWLI were all a success for her. She slayed that genre, and they were perfect for her voice back then. But that was the 90s, her voice has changed. But she can still cover Foreigner, REO Speedwagon (In My Dreams), Air Supply (Lost In Love), that kind of stuff. (Wednesday 20 August 2025; 01:54) this is a reply to message 110,593

Songs Mariah should cover (110,593) by BFF from United States I would legitimately love to see Mariah step outside her comfort zone and do some alternative rock covers. We all know she has a secret rocker side that's waiting to be unleashed. I honestly thought that was going to happen when she and Courtney Love were photographed together with Lee Daniels 10 or so years ago. I also legitimately would have loved for Aretha Franklin to do a song like Bjork's "Army of Me". That would have been cool to hear. (Wednesday 20 August 2025; 01:25)

Daydream anniversary (110,581) by jaker20 from US They're up to something, maybe a double Daydream / Here For It All promo special? The date is not a coincidence. (Tuesday 19 August 2025; 20:01) this is a reply to message 110,573

Daydream anniversary (110,573) by BFF from United States The album release date for "Here for It All" (9/26/25) coincides with the 30th anniversary of the "Daydream" album release (9/26/95). I wonder if we will get a 30th anniversary edition of the "Daydream" album. Surely we will get something since Mariah has done something for "Music Box", "Butterfly", "Rainbow", and "The Emancipation of Mimi"? I know we got "Slipping Away" and "One Night" on "The Rarities" but perhaps there are more songs we do not know about (other than the Chick album). (Monday 18 August 2025; 18:47)

The Mariah UK takeover is gonna pay off (110,580) by jaker20 from US I think they are doing an excellent job overseas with the Mariah promotions. It's a great move in my opinion. I also saw the billboards in Japan. They might be up to something. (Tuesday 19 August 2025; 19:58) this is a reply to message 110,575

The Mariah UK takeover is gonna pay off (110,575) by Tevin from USA Wow thank you for all the facts and figures. (Monday 18 August 2025; 18:56)

It’s tiiiime... to let the children know (110,579) by jaker20 from US I like that many care for her, often it's well-intentioned. But sometimes it's just many here are projecting. It's too tooo too much. She is already in constant microscrope. If it's not the breast just a few days ago, then the makeup, then the everything, then she's a zombie, and not herself. (I admit I do it too sometimes, it's contagious, so I often check myself, and this is my first and last on this topic.) I feel all this focus on her being bipolar, and people diagnosing her like she's a patient, is actually adding more anxiety. And frankly pretty pointless, albeit "we have the right to post what we want". The negative is too much sometimes, that for some it's all they talk about. In the end, it is her life, she has a new "normal". She has her own baseline of what is normal. She looked great in London, happy, cheerful, she seems to have high energy, walking on her own, interacting with fans, having a time of her life, and the last few concerts smashed. And yet look at the topics here. There is nothing wrong with her as far as I'm concerned. (Tuesday 19 August 2025; 19:56)

Back to chart obsession (110,574) by jaker20 from US It's funny you mentioned Cardi B because years ago lambs want them to collab and now with her not doing well, no one would even suggest that would be a good idea. I want Mariah to do the most unexpected collaborations, like an up and coming folk pop artist or an artist who is big in the Spanish speaking countries or in Asia. Something totally unexpected. Mariah is going to Brazil to shoot a video, hopefully these ideas reach her team. American pop music charts are no longer cool and the market has dried up, the best creatives are elsewhere, and that's where the money is. (Monday 18 August 2025; 18:56) this is a reply to message 110,532

Back to chart obsession (110,532) by Randy from USA Jaker for once we agree. People will love a song and then when it doesn't do well, it was a bad single choice. Mariah does it too. One of my favorite songs is Through The Rain and Mariah has bad talked that. Although during the promotional tour, she said it was an anthem. The same with Bye Bye, which I love. Mariah talks about how that was a bad single choice, but she promoted it everywhere. No one knows whether a song will be a hit because if they did, everyone would have number ones. I knew the first time I heard Type: Dangerous and Sugar Sweet they weren't hits. Cool songs. Not hits. Can I bring Adele up for the fifty million time? Why does only Adele understand that a heartfelt ballad as a lead single will go to number one because it reaches across generations and music delivery formats? I was disgusted to watch Hello make 25 go diamond and Easy on Me make 30 sell in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, and for as much as I love those two songs, I'm sitting by thinking, Mariah does ballads better than anyone. And yet she keeps churning out modern r&b. Final thought and it's still a repeat. I don't know what Mariah or Gamma thought releasing these songs so early on an album so short. Was there a plan B if the songs didn't work? Type Dangerous shoulda came out the last week of July and Sugar Sweet shoulda came out the last week of August for a September 26 release. But quiet as it's kept, I kinda think Cardi B is gonna struggle. The music audience is fickle. We will see. That's all. (Sunday 17 August 2025; 01:10)

Back to chart obsession (110,562) by jaker20 from US Mariah is releasing because she wants to tour next year. I'm sure of it. All artists now release only for that reason. There's no real incentive from recording and charting anymore, especially for "older" acts. Beyonce toured purely based on that, and she had more incentive to promote Cowboy Carter after the album hit number one, but she didn't care to do that. I think that's what's Mariah will do. Release the album, then after the holidays, release potentially a few TV specials out of it and then a tour or mini tour. She's having the best concert attendance of her career recently, and she needs a new theme to tour. That's what everyone's doing. Not many cares about chart performance. I'm not being biased as a lamb, but the only time the charts actually mean something is during the holidays because the points are high, and Mariah dominates that. (Monday 18 August 2025; 00:16) this is a reply to message 110,549

Back to chart obsession (110,549) by BFF from United States I think Mariah and her team could have gotten more mileage out of "Type Dangerous" if they had released the video and remix EP sooner. The song and video are fun, and the song makes really good use of that Eric B. and Rakim sample. It's still doing pretty well in the niche R&B radio format. I never cared for "Sugar Sweet" from the first time I heard it and think it's a much weaker song than "Type Dangerous". If I worked on Mariah's team, I would advocate for a ballad or the Anderson.Paak duet as a third single. We have to get used to the idea that the "legacy" residencies and Christmas tours are going to be Mariah's main focus since they clearly generate the most income. The rollout for "Caution" came around the time of "The Butterfly Returns" residency and a European Christmas tour, so it seems like we will see a similar pattern for "Here For It All". It makes sense that she would continue to focus on the residencies and Christmas tours... unless a newly released single or album becomes a massive hit. Maybe we will luck out and get a "Here For It All" tour next year, but Mariah's recent pattern of pre-recording entire shows doesn't bode well for how that would turn out. (Sunday 17 August 2025; 14:43)

Mimi was ahead as a showgirl (110,561) by jaker20 from US Madonna also already did that showgirl theme with her Girlie Show in the 90s and Whose That Girl era in the 80s. She's already run that theme to the ground. Mariah only dabbled in it during the Butterfly Tour and Breakdown and I Stay In Love video. But they're not new, and it didn't fit her overall persona anyway. I love Taylor, but I'm sorry, she's not as compelling a performer like Madonna, nor have the classics like Mariah. She's an album artist with a top notch business team. Her sales is inflated by the re-releases which boosted her career which then put her in the position she is now. It helps a lot that she has the drive. Miley Cyrus is probably thinking what Taylor did right. They had near identical path, but Taylor left her in the dust. Both started as teens with country leanings, then turn to pop. That's the thing about being a performer and having your act being based on a theme, you can recycle the old and make it new again. (Monday 18 August 2025; 00:06) this is a reply to message 110,534

Mimi was ahead as a showgirl (110,534) by Nicole from US Looking at Taylor Swift's promo pictures for her Life of a Showgirl album made me think of Breakdown and I Stay in Love. Mariah was way ahead of the times but sometimes I think maybe if she stuck to one look per era and not only sexy skimpy dresses. I guess Mimi just wants sexy all the time but that's just me. (Sunday 17 August 2025; 03:43)

Mariah at Sandringham (110,560) by jaker20 from US They had HFIA cover with a QR code projected on the screen. It seems that Mariah's new team knows what it's doing. It's possible for the album's debut to surprise. (Sunday 17 August 2025; 23:54)

Back to chart obsession (110,516) by jaker20 from US It's like clockwork in this forum. I love Doja but collabing with her just to chart is pretty desperate. She's likely to out-chart Mariah, but who cares, as long as HFIA is as good as Caution, I will be happy. If we hope for a chart position for HFIA, we will be disappointed. When Sugar Sweet was released, reception was extremely positive. But because it didn't chart, we don't like it anymore. The quickness lambs switch on her based on chart position is sad. She's really a victim of her own success. I love the song, love the beat, it feels like a classic. It doesn't feel out of place to her catalog like that I Don't mess. And she's collabing and she increase their profile even a little. She's in her giving era, launching careers. I hope the song has its moment someday, I'm almost thinking it being a theme for a cooking show and it explodes lol. That's how IWTKWLI is Brazil when it became a theme for a show. (Friday 15 August 2025; 22:52)

Doja Cat (110,495) by jaker20 from US She's apparently releasing on the same day as Mariah. Suddenly everyone is releasing and is out to get her. (Friday 15 August 2025; 00:34)

Album releases in the 1990's (110,473) by jaker20 from US I would love for Mariah to release Someone's Ugly Daughter. It's supposedly a full album with full track list. That would be a big change for her, and the way she kept talking about it, it seems she want to, but for whatever reason is hesitating to do it. Do it Mariah. (Thursday 14 August 2025; 02:32) this is a reply to message 110,466

Album releases in the 1990's (110,466) by T from USA She released an album of some kind every year of the '90's except 1996. It would've been great if she put out Someone's Ugly Daughter in that year, then transitioned to Butterfly the next year. I think she would've gotten more respect and possibly things would've gone different for her at the end of the decade (possibly). (Wednesday 13 August 2025; 17:53)

Taylor Swift (110,472) by jaker20 from US Mariah's team can only wish. The two competing would benefit Mariah only just from the free publicity alone. They're no longer in the same commercial league anymore, as Mariah is a legacy act. I just want Mariah's album to be good and I don't care about what others are putting out there. Taylor's album will release a week after Mariah's. She's putting Olivia in a worse position because she beat her announcement and Olivia is supposed to release in 2025. Now Olivia is likely going to change plans, especially with Sabrina already releasing later this month. (Thursday 14 August 2025; 02:22) this is a reply to message 110,468

Taylor Swift (110,468) by Norman from USA It would be great if there were actually a battle. I don't think Swift's team has Mariah anywhere near their radar tbh. I know that amongst her fans, we're waiting with baited breath, but the GP doesn't have her on their radar either. The two lead singles have had a positive reaction from the fans and have stoked a new sense of optimism amongst us as well, but neither of them are doing anywhere near well enough to be a threat to any upcoming album release. I believe that it's going to hinge more on the album drop and how well it can garner attention in the r&b space, as opposed to the pop/mainstream space. I still believe that a comeback single is entirely possible for her; some heartfelt song from out of left field with a great hook and thumping beat could do it. It's been said here many times before (I know I've said it), but it bears repeating - her heart's gotta be in it. The thing that Taylor has brought to the table in her dominion of the charts, is a team with a lot of business savvy, sharp marketing skills, well crafted public image, and a no-holds-barred drive to plaster her everywhere. And while I think Mariah could benefit from a level of that (I think Gamma is trying-adjacent), I think Mariah is so done with that part of her career/life. She went from IDWC to I Don't Wanna Try. You know, it's kind of like when an introvert makes future plans when they're excited, and then as the day approaches, they hate themselves for making the plans. At least that's my take on it. I'm cautiously optimistic about this new album after hearing the "Here For It All", snippet. I guess we'll see on September 26th. But I'm glad you're still hyped for a big moment from this era. I like your take better than mine, if I'm being honest. Hope is always a good thing, Bobby A. (Wednesday 13 August 2025; 20:43)

Obsessed (110,397) by jaker20 from US [It's] pulling near 800k daily on [Spotify] alone. Which is insane. [It's] doing better than most of her full albums. [It's] become her biggest hit in the streaming era. It stood the test of time and its universal, [it's] a hit everywhere, and it doesn't work like that all the time. That type of cheeky and satirical songs, usually stay in that time and era. But not in this case. (Saturday 9 August 2025; 23:53)

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