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New tour date alert: February 2026 (112,069) by jaker20 from US
I think that's just one day, it's not really a tour.
(Friday 24 October 2025; 03:33)
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Which song would've you picked? (112,059) by jaker20 from US
Hindsight is 20/20 but if we can see the future, I would have just released My Love if its up to me.

Type Dangerous sounds it tried appeal to the chart, but it does not fit into the album. It sticks out. It's only a good single if the entire album have that same spirit, which is club, hip-hop and modern a bit edgy, t-shirts and tight booty shorts aesthetics.

Type Dangerous isn't her anymore, unless she miraculously one day learns choreo. Then Sugar Sweet again sounds different like a different direction. The album isn't like those. And she can't sustain that sound and look anyway as this point of her career. Even on the promo circuit she looks madam which is her, it supports the album's style.

So in comes My Love which is classic Mariah. It's a remake, but it is her right now, soulful, delicate, intimate, ethereal. And it represents the album's sound and her current aesthetics. Then follow up with Play this Song or Confetti or I won't Allow It.

I'm literally choosing songs no one would think would chart", but that is the point. She is still chasing the chart, go high enough, but she can't really go all the way because that is not her anymore.

I think the only way Mariah will have some chart success again is either completely change her sound to fit into current pop landscape (not gong to happen), stop making Christmas music because her image is to associated with it (not going to happen), collab with new artist (she's tried that, didn't work), or be on a soundtrack of a hit film or series (works only by chance if the stars are aligned).

So I think its time for Mariah to just be Mariah, and then maybe she will chart Because that's something she can embody moving forward. She doesn't have to change herself. Think Nora Jones in the 2000s, no belting, just smooth soul, velvety vocals.
(Thursday 23 October 2025; 18:38)
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The impossible (111,998) by jaker20 from US
I'm glad fans are waking up to Memoirs. I loved it from the first listen. It's turned out to be Mariah's most listened to album in the streaming era, excluding Merry Christmas of course. I really hope Mariah pull out all the stops to release Angel's Advocate, unlikely but not being able to stream Angels Cry remix is wrong.
(Monday 20 October 2025; 05:46)
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Christian Aguilera (111,962) by jaker20 from US
She's got a Christmas concert movie coming up and it will be released theatrically. How did she beat Mariah to it lol. I say Mariah's team is working hard, but not working smart.
(Saturday 18 October 2025; 02:10)
Philippines (111,957) by jaker20 from US
Wow, the lamb fandom there is on another level. They know every deep cuts lyrics to a T.
(Friday 17 October 2025; 19:16)
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Here For It All (111,923) by jaker20 from US
I too have started collecting Mariah physicals again. I stopped CDs after MOAIA, but over time felt that streaming really don't have a connection with the artist.

Then started collecting vinyls. I got HFIA on CD and vinyl, but stream them when I'm out. I think Mariah's albums have actual value because they don't make millions of them anymore. I believe this happened in some stores with HFIA, because they released only as much as Caution because, I suspect, pre-orders were low. There's many reports that they can't find stocks, and ended up ordering on Amazon. That's another generational gap, fans of legacy acts don't pre-order, they buy them when they're at the stores or at the merch shop at their tour venues.
(Thursday 16 October 2025; 19:15)
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Here For It All (111,877) by jaker20 from US
There is more to those numbers. The album did drop to 187 on Hot 200, but on sales it's still in the top 10. This really goes to show how messed up and useless the charts currently are. It leans way too heavily towards streaming, which doesn't really benefit most artists' pocketbooks.

The keyword here is "sell". The charts are obscuring these details with "album equivalent units", because in reality, no one "sells" to profitability anymore in the same level that it used to, and that's a bad look for the industry.

So when someone says: "Mariah didn't even sell as much as Doja Cat", that need to correction. Mariah did actually "sell" more than Doja Cat, in the US and certainly globally. The charts just obscures it.

Equivalent sales unit will never equal sales, however the industry tries to convince us that it is. And as such, it will always be rigged against legacy artists.
(Wednesday 15 October 2025; 02:17)
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More thoughts (111,857) by jaker20 from US
It's unfortunate that she will always be viewed within the lens of commercial success over the quality but it is partly her making for building her career that way so it's not necessarily wrong I guess.

Before the release of the album, I thought it won't be possible to be the queen of Christmas and have a hugely successful non-Christmas album. I just don't see how the public will shift between the two.

If she wants to do both, it would have to be at the expense of somewhat ok studio albums success and she has to be ok with that. That means doing it multiple tries more regularly, not one album every 7 years.

I think the covers album is sounding like a very good idea now, especially with how well My Love turned out.
(Tuesday 14 October 2025; 06:38)
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More thoughts (111,853) by jaker20 from US
"Are the big labels doing better? I don't know what to think."

The last releases from Katy Perry, Doja Cat, Shania Twain, Carrie Underwood, Miley Cyrus, Ellie Goulding did either around same or worse than HFIA. But for pure sales, Mariah did better than all of them.

P.nk and Selena Gomez did better but didn't even do gold, nor produced any top 40 single. Alicia Key's last 2 albums didn't even chart.

Justin Bieber's last album did significantly better in streaming, but did pitiful 6K pure sales, significantly worse than Mariah's. Jack Harlow did much worse. Maroon 5's last 2 album significantly did worse than Mariah's pure sales, the last one didn't even chart top 20. Ed Sheeran's album did slightly better than HFIA but came and went.

Save for a few like Taylor and Bruno Mars, not many are actually doing all that good right now. Ariana, Beyonce's and Lady Gaga's last albums are some of the "best selling" albums this year and last year. They also sold about the same as Glitter. As Lizzo has said, the industry is in shambles right now.
(Tuesday 14 October 2025; 01:18)
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My single choices + videos (111,852) by jaker20 from US
That's a good idea. "In Your Feelings" is actually gaining in Urban and R&B all by itself being a good song that it is. I just want a really good video from Mariah, can we get a good video? I'd rather her flop and make good videos. I'm surprised that she's not putting that effort even on her Christmas catalog. She should have a good new video every season.

Now, enough time has passed, so I'm going to be honest: I don't think Type Dangerous is a good video. I'm glad it got her an MTV award, and that many here thinks it looks expensive. I actually think it looks very cheap, as in CGI greenscreen cheap. The Sugar Sweet clip of her doing whatever she's doing (I think she's trying TikTok choreo) is honestly embarrassing. And that Play That Song video looks shot on iPhone.

I think I've said this a few times: I don't think Mariah's had a good video, since, maybe Obsessed. That's why that song has become an unexpected timeless hit for her because it's a good video. It has a concept that goes viral every now and then, and not necessarily expensive looking. Kids take a clip from it, and it goes viral.

Mariah hasn't had a good video because she can't be directed. They likely just say to her: "Do what you feel like doing and hold the brush like a microphone." But her greatest videos always have a director who is in control of the creative process, who push her to do as instructed.

And in this time of Mariah's career, she can't be told what to do and receive instructions, that's why she can't even do basic choreo and make good videos anymore.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 20:22)
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Retrospective moments (111,849) by jaker20 from US
That is unfair to compare Mariah, who is a legacy act with 35 year career, to Morgan Wallen. You are basically setting her up.

And of course they will hype the album. They won't actually say "we'd be happy if it does better than Miley Cyrus, Shania Twain and Katy Perry's last albums" which are all signed to major labels.
(Monday 13 October 2025; 18:51)
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Mariah and Gamma (111,781) by jaker20 from US
I just hope they release more videos. Even Caution had 3 videos released, and i'm sure Mariah can do more if she really wants to. Tate's You Broke Me First is literally just her walking in front of buildings, I don't think that's a costly video, especially now that Mariah's independent, she hopefully have a bit more options on how things get done and decided.
(Thursday 9 October 2025; 22:55)
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Mariah and Gamma (111,772) by jaker20 from US
How do you know Gamma didn't make money from Mariah? Record production is a lot cheaper now than in the 90s, and she's literally their best selling artist right now globally. Unlike these streaming artists, she is actually selling records. Not 90s level but she's selling physicals. And she's touring too. Her bottom line is slightly different than regular artists because she's also a Christmas artist who has yearly career, possibly for the rest of her life if she wants to. Independent and yearly career, its what many artists can only envy. Unlike many artists, she has something to look forward to.

The problem is the charts. Don't look at them. It's skewed perception. It's dominated by streaming which does not bring profits unless they tour. Even the late 2000s and 2010s artists are no longer in the scene because there's no money in streaming even though they are charting. Every song on an album can now chart on the singles chart, and then they still don't break even. What Lizzo's teas on this. Only the tech companies make money from it. What an absolute joke.

Gamma is the right place for her, there's not a lot of pressure to produce, and it's all about her, not a hundred features. She has the best career now, she's just spoiled the fans that she has to be charting because a big part of her career is built on being a hitmaker. But she's doing just fine, and she's happy, and so should we. If Mariah makes more HFIA with middling chart position and be able to do what she wants, I would be happy.
(Wednesday 8 October 2025; 17:57)
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Here For It All deluxe / duets (111,762) by jaker20 from US
I like this list. Good effort putting this together. But personally I'd like Mariah to release Angels Advocate first.
(Wednesday 8 October 2025; 01:54)
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How can I get a message to Mariah? (111,739) by jaker20 from US
Mariah knows what she is doing. This isn't her first rodeo. If its beneficial for them both why not, I would too. I mean he's lowkey cute. And they seem to work well together. And he's also a performer so that's good for her imo. Go get it mama.
(Monday 6 October 2025; 19:31)
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Streaming (111,714) by jaker20 from US
Yeah, Mariah fans don't stream in general. But Mariah will still be number one in Billboard Album Sales chart for this week, and I'm happy with that.

It really goes to show how much the industry has changed. It's not about the music. It's all about TikTok hooks, meme potential, autoplay, algo playlists, etc. And then forgotten next year.

Look at Cardi back to beefing with Nikki, all these gets picked up in engagement and pushed into their catalog. Same with Taylor now fake-beefing with Charli XCX. It's all intentional. I don't want Mariah to be doing that.
(Sunday 5 October 2025; 01:30)
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Mariah needs to be part of a major label #7 51,000 (111,702) by jaker20 from US
Caution had tour bundles, and HFIA didn't. So overall these are good numbers for her. Although these numbers are literally identical with Caution which was 51K overall, and 43 pure sales, which makes me wonder if they are Caution numbers and there's a mistake. Lets wait for the official numbers.

She can't book all these shows that you were suggesting with the schedule she's put together. Have you seen her schedule? It is insane. Someone posted her schedule on twitter a couple of weeks ago which shows her being full up to the end of the year. So all these bookings you are suggesting probably won't make a difference other than just exhaust her.

But hey, HFIA will be number 1 in album sales this week, so lets just celebrate that.
(Saturday 4 October 2025; 10:31)
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Article: Mariah Carey says music video coming for Sugar Sweet (111,676) by jaker20 from US
Yes, "Play This Song" is listed as the third single, per Billboard, and its been added on radio and iheart etc.

Strangely it has a bigger playlist reach than both Type Dangerous and Sugar Sweet, Spotify is very weird to me and what people there really listens to. Although I like it better now than when I first heard it. It is very essential standard sounding, it does have a classic appeal to it, something I didn't expect would do well on streaming.
(Thursday 2 October 2025; 20:48)
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Article: Mariah Carey says music video coming for Sugar Sweet (111,674) by jaker20 from US
Maybe it's a the solo version. I think a lot of people don't know that that's the version that is on the vinyl and CDs.
(Thursday 2 October 2025; 20:37)
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New voice (111,633) by jaker20 from US
It's always been there, it just changed. I just saw her interview with Jennifer Hudson and she did her high note and it's as crisp as ever. She's saving it, she's taking care of it.
(Wednesday 1 October 2025; 02:32)
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Early numbers (111,629) by jaker20 from US
I looks like Mariah is beating Doja, which was not on my 2025 bingo card. Keep streaming. I think Mariah can do 70k if we keep this up. I'm gagged. These are great numbers of Mimi.
(Wednesday 1 October 2025; 01:01)
HFIA (111,625) by jaker20 from US
I've been addicted to the album. There is no skip to this album. HFIA is perfect, I can see why it's the album title. It's 6 and a half minutes yet it still feels short. The first 30 minutes of the song is a masterpiece, the cry in Mariah's voice it sounds like no one. Another great addition to Mariah's discography. I think this album will eventually outlast Caution.
(Tuesday 30 September 2025; 17:07)
An ode to all of us (111,563) by jaker20 from US
My reading is a bit different. I mean she literally just signed a multi-album deal with gamma. I definitely think she's signaling a shift in what she wants to put out moving forward. It's not by chance that there's no rap collab in HFIA. That's a first for her in what, since prior Daydream? The collabs we got leaned more R&B and another with gospel. That's a good thing, I hope she keeps collabing across the board. It's not by chance that her intro is "Mi", from now on, it's gonna be her and about her. It's not but chance that she collabed with The Clark Sisters, gospel yet upbeat. It's not by chance that she covered a McCartney song. I think that's the direction she wants to take, more pared down, classic and timeless.
(Saturday 27 September 2025; 19:05)
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HFIA (111,560) by jaker20 from US
I hear more like a tribute to lambs and that she's here for it all til the end. I think she wrote this during her struggles with losing her family at the same time. For a while I thought it's about the twins, and she's gonna be there until the end, now that it's just them.

But I always thought that Mariah thinks of Lambs are fam. So ultimately the lyrics is about that, her career and her parasocial bond with lambs, virtual sleepovers. That she's here for it all, even if you abandon her.

Red carpets in Cannes and applause
But if you leave (when lambs no longer want her),
Still baby, I'm here for it all.

But it would be preposterous to sing to your fans. So it's intentionally ambiguous for everyone to relate wherever they want to place that thought. The second half shift is a literal shift. I think she's going to move from pop to gospel and classic standards maybe which is how the entire album sounds. If you notice, there's not a single rap feature in the album. It's a tribute and once she shifts, she is saying that she hope you'll still be there.
(Saturday 27 September 2025; 18:34)
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My Love (111,516) by jaker20 from US
I loved it. One of the best tracks. I wish she partnered with a movie or series to attach the song. It's a beautiful rendition.

@Randy, My Love, she (or he in the case of McCartney) was talking about both, because that's what he calls his wife Linda, that's why he called the song that to carry that double sense throughout the song. And that's pretty much Beatles right then, redundant and simple, Let It Be, All You Need Is Love, etc.

Maybe that's the direction Mariah wants to take in her next chapter, simple and leaning more towards the feeling of it.
(Friday 26 September 2025; 18:01)
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