Messageboard |
|
Only registrated members can post messages.
Registration is free.
|
|
| |
About Lambi from USA:
Mc 4 life
|
|
| |
|
Greatest artist / WH vs MC (114,126)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
That's debatable. I'd say Whitney and Mariah birthed most of the vocal pop girlies who came after them, with Mariah having a slight edge simply because she covered more styles. Heck, she even got Aretha to sing Touch My Body.
Lecrae also interviewed Tori Kelly and asked her the same question. Tori picked Mariah, and Lecrae could not handle it. He said, "Someone's going to hate you for that. They're hating on you right now. They're saying you have lost your mind."
Tori doubled down, "That's okay. I love them both but I really was raised more with Mariah Carey. I won a big trophy singing Vision of Love when I was 9 years old, so I'm sticking with Mariah." She was obviously just being authentic.
It's interesting though. I watch these street type interviews, and almost every time a black person is asked, "Mariah or Whitney?" the immediate answer is Whitney which sort of makes me feel like there's a bit of colorism at play because it happens so often.
Their general tone towards Mariah is just kind of like, "She's not even competition to Whitney" which makes me wonder, is her music just not played at cookouts? Why are we acting like she isn't formidable vocally? She arguably did more technically demanding things and has a much broader catalog.
Then when you actually hear from the real black vocal queens like Aretha or Patti, they praise the hell out of Mariah. Aretha famously wanted to sing with MC and MC only during Divas Live, and Patti handpicked Mariah to perform in her tribute despite Whitney being available. She was literally in the same building that night.
I talked to a black friend of mine (who sings) about it, and his take was basically, "Mariah has a reputation as a lip-syncer, a phony," and "The average person will feel stupid picking her if we're talking real singing." I was like, "Okay, fair." I didn't really have a rebuttal because it made perfect sense then it just kind of made me sad realizing how tarnished Mariah's credibility really has become.
(Saturday 11 July 2026; 00:59)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,121 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,121)
by TheButterflyReturns from United States
| |
|
|
I love Mariah, but I don't think she's the greatest of all time in terms of artistry. I'd probably say Joni Mitchell, Aretha Franklin, or Billie Holiday were the greatest in terms of influence. Commercial success is another story. And I'm sure Mariah would probably reserve the "greatest" label for Aretha Franklin.
(Thursday 9 July 2026; 22:08)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,117)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
It's more Madonna fans that'll probably dunk on you. Whitney (RIP) was a talent, but she only really becomes relevant when the question, "Who is the greatest female singer?" is asked.
Artistry is so nuanced though. I respect Mariah because when you listen to her songs, you can be like, "Yup, I know that piano chord progression," or, "This is so Mariah coded."
You can also tell she's actually a fan of the people she collaborates with: Bone Thugs, Boyz II Men, and The Clark Sisters. Their work together show it; it's more true camaraderie than clout.
She also does it well whenever she dabbles in other styles: Help Me Make It Through the Night (country), Out Here on My Own (musical theater), and Cruise Control (reggae).
Plus, a lot of her albums are infused with disco, funk, and jazz instrumentation. It's literally all her taste, and there's a real sense of integrity to it.
She's also more than capable of doing other styles (a whole ass grunge album), but she knows that was mainly to combat her lack of freedom and the incessant push to be prim and proper.
She's aware it was solely therapy (for laughs) and shouldn't seriously be considered part of her discography. That should tell you she knows her place and cares deeply about how her artistry is perceived.
I actually love that she didn't jump on the annoying EDM/trap or country bandwagon and just kind of stuck to what she really likes. Production got a little stale in the early to mid 2010s but she eventually caught up. Caution and HFIA both had the hottest producers.
(Wednesday 8 July 2026; 11:46)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,109 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,109)
by Bobby A from United States
| |
|
|
Why doesn't the music industry recognize MC more as the greatest female artist of all time? We all know that she has definitely earned the title. I think the music industry doesn't want to recognize her as the versatile artist that she is because it would cause an uproar among Whitney Houston's fanbase and stir up the whole debate of MC being the female artist who started the trend of merging pop, R&B and hip hop together.
(Tuesday 7 July 2026; 03:50)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,116)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
It's a bit nuanced. Let's say these artists are painters. Mariah primarily specializes in realistic paintings, while Beyoncé dabbles in other styles like abstract, minimalism, or oil painting.
That doesn't necessarily mean Beyoncé is greater. She just tried more styles, probably on a whim. In fact, the majority of her later albums are made up of fillers. Lemonade was subpar, and the country albums were so-so.
Madonna just challenged culture visually and constantly went against the grain. Taylor is a decent writer, but everyone knows her success is also a product of heavily financed marketing.
As far as great songwriting and true artistry go, Mariah is far ahead of any of them. Some of her album production may have become dated, that's pretty fair (2012-16), but melodically, she beats them all by a mile.
Her pitch was "The Best Selling Female Recording Artist in History" around the early 2000s. It sounded so official during her Super Bowl national anthem performance. It was probably a slap to Tommy, too.
But honestly, "The Greatest Singer-Songwriter Of All Time" would probably mean more to MC. That's literally who she is.
(Wednesday 8 July 2026; 04:19)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,113 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
The greatest female artist of all time snub (114,113)
by Dave from USA
| |
|
|
Mainly because, she isn't. You now have Beyonce and Taylor who have emerged as actual artists. Even numbers wise, Madonna at 67 is having a resurgence and looks to open with more first week sales for her latest album than MC's latest. All these women have one major thing that Mariah doesn't. Growth. Mariah just does the same boring predictable music. Her last true form of art was Butterfly. She showed such a change in her music, her persona, and her art as a brand. She is stuck on the same music and unrelatable diva image. You can't play the diva thing if you can't deliver the goods, that being her voice. It's literally gone now. She just doesn't evolve.
(Tuesday 7 July 2026; 19:33)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
MC’s best bridge (114,094)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I love this rare stripped down gem of a bridge:
Thunder clouds Hung around So threateningly Ominously hovering And the sky Opened wide Showering
Pure poetry, happy 4th Lambily.
(Saturday 4 July 2026; 12:50)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
MC in the studio (114,085)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
Wholeheartedly agree, Mariah sampled My Boo by Ghost Town DJs on the HATEU remix way earlier. It seriously irked me when the song had a revival in 2016 on TikTok. Like hello, MC's sample genius already tried to reintroduce it to new audiences 7 years ago.
(Friday 3 July 2026; 02:06)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,081 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
MC in the studio (114,081)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
| |
|
|
I think not only does she not jump on trends she somehow always does trends years if not decades before it becomes viral and doesn't get enough praise for it when she does it because people don't get it at that point. Like the whole retro/funk/post-disco vibe of Glitter, the reggae/island music vibes of Cruise Control, the chipmunk/sped up sound like You Got Me, heck even rapping on Prisoner and doing the rap-sing on several TEOM songs just to name a few. I'm not even getting into her resung remixes and infusing pop-hip hop because she does somewhat get credit for it.
(Thursday 2 July 2026; 19:10)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
MC in the studio (114,083)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
Hard to discount them. JD and BMC both worked on Made For Me by Muni Long in 2023, and it was an absolute smash hit wonder.
Their last effort with Mariah was I Don’t, which was pretty okay. Great use of the sample, but ultimately felt more like a remix of Donnell Jones' Where I Wanna Be.
Still a solid stellar musical choice though, at least they have another data point for what doesn't work. Mariah had hit the ball pretty hard music-wise on Caution, then hit it even harder marketing-wise with HFIA.
It feels like she's about to spike it harder than ever on this next one. She's aware of the psychological terror they deliberately put her through, and she's fighting tooth and nail to make sure they don't win.
(Friday 3 July 2026; 01:46)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,076 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
MC in the studio (114,076)
by TJ from Norway
| |
|
|
Thank you Edward. I've been saying it for years now. The boring RnB is not the way to go, and hasn't been for ages. Sadly I think she will go for the same formula again. It's actually better to make an instrumental album if she doesn't have those nodules removed. Her 2025 voice was just painful to listen to.
What happened to her alternative grunge album?
(Thursday 2 July 2026; 09:06)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
HFIA (114,071)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
Yeah, the average person's read from the public about the MTV performance is, "It may be time to hang it up," and they aren't even being mean. They genuinely see someone who's incapable of moving around like a normal, mobile human being.
I also agree about the overhyped lead single. People lost it when she framed HFIA as the next TEOM with that reel, using It's Like That to introduce Type: Dangerous.
A lot of lambs felt that this wasn't the right firestarter and foresaw the single would flop. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. It's just not really a killer song to be banking on. Label does not know what they're doing.
(Wednesday 1 July 2026; 13:47)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,062 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
HFIA (114,062)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
| |
|
|
HFIA started good with the promotion but then lost the track and the plot. Type Dangerous was different from anything Mariah had done and she seemed to have a hell lot of budget for the video yet the video was lacklustre. And in what has become a tradition the video wasn't ready on time. Also we have all seen Mariah not being able to move properly in real life and needing help but you'd think in a controlled environment she'd have more coordinated movements but she looked stiff and unable to move. The video didn't age well. Then the other singles released I didn't even keep track because the promo wasn't even there. Sugar Sweet was a nice song (although to be honest I can't listen to it at all because I was in my first trimester and had constant nausea and that's when the song came lol so now when I listen to it I feel nauseous) anyways that too had no proper video. She seems to start strong and then immediately drop everything.
(Tuesday 30 June 2026; 01:45)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Michael (114,070)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I had the same question in mind. They'd really have to hire an obsessed superfan who knows her to a T. Someone who's decent vocally and actually knows music would be pretty necessary too.
Her character profile is so rich: the mannerisms, the lingo, and the sheer femininity all have to be studied closely. Plus she's got such a unique look.
They'd also need someone who's been through the chopping block and heavily scrutinized themselves to really pull off the emotions and make it believable.
Finding an actress who can convincingly play MC is probably just as difficult as finding someone who can actually sing like her. I honestly feel bad for whoever has to handle casting.
(Wednesday 1 July 2026; 13:25)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,064 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Michael (114,064)
by Lainsky from Philippines
| |
|
|
Because of these reviews, I might give myself some time to check out this MJ biopic. And since you mentioned a Mariah biopic, who would be the best singer-actress to play this epic role? It has become a tradition for them to do only movies like this when the artist is gone. However, it would be nice to make a movie while the person being honored is still here, right?
(Tuesday 30 June 2026; 05:49)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
HFIA (114,061)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I thought the HFIA rollout was a real attempt to somewhat get that influential connotation back, hence purchasing the Vanguard award and having the mainstreamed iHeart tribute. Not sure if she is seen any differently though.
It's interesting Mariah is quite literally at a stage where she is having to be serious about really leaving her mark. The projects cooking now are legacy based and making sure she ends it on a high note.
I didn't realize this is probably a major contributing factor to her sadness. She is years ahead of us, career-wise, so many things unbeknownst to us behind the scenes. She must've started through document finalizations and living the end of the show now.
It makes sense that now having to go through the process of seriously solidifying your will, royalty arrangements, and insurance policies would be rather tough. Seeing your last efforts on print would be bittersweet.
As much as she is eternally 12, biology is real and she is of retiring age. I'd imagine, especially for someone like MC, having to eventually let go of the one thing you unequivocally devoted your whole entire life on must be pretty freaking heavy.
(Tuesday 30 June 2026; 01:16)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,058 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Mini series (114,058)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
| |
|
|
There's so much to Mariah's story, I'm glad a mini series is being envisioned for it and of course Mariah will be involved because after all it is her story but I hope she lets the filmmakers do their thing and not try to control every aspect. One thing about Michael I wished for was if it was a miniseries because this man has been famous since like he was 8, and started his journey even younger so there just so much to his story a movie can't encapsulate his complex life but alas I'm glad it helped boost his songs again and I agree for Mariah I hope her movie focuses strongly on her artistry and talent beyond being just "The Voice".
(Monday 29 June 2026; 15:07)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Michael (114,056)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
True. Beyond the obvious purification of certain characters, the movie was really well done. I loved how they fully recaptured each decade, how closely the casting resembled the real people, and how they truly showcased the essence of Michael.
His abnormal love for animals, his musical genius, the way he worked, the inception of each song, how the lead single was ever-changing before the release and how the track listing for Thriller kept being rearranged. It was all done with so much meaning behind it.
I too would love for people to see MC through such a creative lens. My All, The Roof, Fourth of July, and Breakdown being written in real time after every rendezvous with Derek would make such an insane movie scene sequence.
To see little Mariah come to life would also be fun. Her effervescent personality; how innately inquisitive, creative, strong-willed and sassy she was, how she navigated the difficult turmoil in her household, and how her wise mouth shut down her bullies.
People would finally understand that she really was made for superstardom and start putting some respect on her name. I feel like even a deeper backstory on Pat and Alfred would also be such a revelation.
(Monday 29 June 2026; 14:24)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,054 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Michael (114,054)
by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter
| |
|
|
Other than Mariah I’m a massive MJ fan. I recently watched the biopic. Any other fans here? The biopic was really well done albeit of course quite sanitized. But it did what it was meant to do, introduce the new generation to MJ and my socials are now flooded with Gen Z and younger peeps going crazy over the magic of MJ. So I really hope we get a great budget movie of Mariah to introduce her to the next generation. She has a very interesting backstory and her artistry is next level so I really hope they focus on that. It’ll hopefully lead to the younger crowd to know her catalogue more than her just being considered the Queen of Christmas. Also hi everyone, I hope you all are doing well. Sorry I have been MIA. Baby keeps me busyyyyy. Hahah.
(Monday 29 June 2026; 01:51)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Taylor Swift (114,050)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
Yup, she is a product of a phenomenal marketing team. She's also kept up a brand of being a squeaky-clean, innocent, teenage country girl who writes breakup songs on the floor with her guitar.
But it is eventually going to become tired and predictable. She is of marriage and motherhood age, and I'm not sure how much longer she can maximize a performative brand.
She is clever, though. We have to give credit where credit is due. Top-notch public relations team, may I add. Her family is in finance and absolutely knows how to strategically grow wealth, which means never-ending resources, which in turn obviously become a long-lasting, dominating career.
(Sunday 28 June 2026; 03:53)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,044 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Taylor Swift (114,044)
by Jamie from UK
| |
|
|
I've never got the Taylor hype. I liked a few songs from the Red and 1989 albums but couldn't tell you any after that. I think it's been a very calculated business venture that's paid off. No singers have become billionaires before, this was a strategically planned exercise using social media to captivate the audience especially the young generation.
Although as we know nothing lasts forever so watch this space. Mariah and all the other greats earned their audience and awards from hard work and people physically going out to buy their music. Now you don't even have to get off your couch for it to count towards a number one. I know what I'd rather have achieved and it's definitely not the Taylor model.
(Saturday 27 June 2026; 11:09)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Taylor Swift (114,042)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
That argument is so fantastical, "Whitney's are known." It's such a cop-out to discount Mariah's accolades.
Though I'd agree that some of Mariah's #1s are like, "Huh, what do you mean?" I didn't think TGIFY or IDWC were #1 records. There was definitely extra effort to make them happen.
But you essentially can't fabricate what people like. Obsessed, Shake It Off, and It's a Wrap eventually found their way to the success they deserved. They should've rightfully been number 1s.
Mariah heavily bodies Whitney (RIP) both in vocals and melody. It boils down to who gave more throughout their career. MC takes the cake.
Taylor Swift isn't even comparable. Literally, if she gets the most, that would mean absolutely nothing. Like Aretha said, "Great gowns, beautiful gowns."
(Saturday 27 June 2026; 01:07)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,040 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Taylor Swift (114,040)
by Randy from USA
| |
|
|
Even though I don't post much more anymore, I still troll this board to catch reactions, I'm shocked no one has anything to say about Taylor Swift's 15th number one. Has everyone just resigned MC is not gonna hold on to her record? Ima be honest, when I used to spar against a Whitney fan about MC having more number ones. He used to say, yeah but Whitney's are known. I could make the argument Didn't We Almost Have It All isn't well known. For MC Thank God I Found You is obscure. But with Taylor Swift and Drake, I maybe could name 4 a piece. Maybe it's generational. I mean The Beatles are musicians, singers and songwriters. Mariah was a masterful vocalist and is still a killer songwriter. Whitney is probably the greatest live singer of all time. MJ and Madonna are American cultural iconic figures as much as Coke and Levi's. I just don't see Taylor Swift, Rihanna or Drake anywhere near as important. That's the insult of MCs record being in jeopardy for me.
(Friday 26 June 2026; 21:23)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (114,036)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I think she does a good job. She finds ways to include them in her touring lifestyle, letting them perform while also letting them be kids and play. She even set up a mini pop-up lemonade stand with a whole cash register for them so they get excited and feel like they're contributing to the show too.
Rocky seems to include God a lot in his captions, and Roe seems very level-headed. They're surrounded 24/7 by trusted friends and professionals so she's definitely doing a better job of preserving their innocence. They are not being left alone with sketchy people like Mariah was with Alison's pimps.
The mafia have gone after her public reputation, her wealth, and her health. Family is the one thing she has now that's somewhat stable, and she is fighting tooth and nail to protect it and keep those relationships intact.
In her book, she denotes her children as one of her greatest gifts, alongside her tremendous musical talent. They hold such a magnitude of strength, healing and saving grace for her (like music do), and I'm so elated MC gets to have that. Dem kids truly are a gift from the Lord.
(Thursday 25 June 2026; 03:16)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,032 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (114,032)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
| |
|
|
Yes, it's true. They are often copying it. The good and the bad. But sometimes it can also be the complete opposite. I know a lot of people that became the opposite of their parents. Even the stars can be the opposite. I find it fascinating that Steven Tyler's daughter, the beautiful Liv Tyler, looks so normal and not like the "Rock and Roll style" with all the bad habits that often come with it. But with Mariah, she did escape the poorness from the family. She became one of the biggest stars in music, broke every record, a real legend. But sadly in private life it looks more like copying, you're right. I just wish she could find a normal man, not only good looking clowns or partners that only wants the money and a bit fame. She so deserves a stable own family after all that mess. That would be healing for sure.
(Tuesday 23 June 2026; 12:32)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (114,026)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I feel like she was pretty much the same until around 2014. Post-divorce, the triple D's and clown contour got a little too desperate. I think Nick leaving broke her to the core.
Mariah has always been about looks, in my opinion. I mean, it's Hollywood, you kind of have to be. She was always fixing her hair, even in the 90s, always making sure you shot her from her good side. It's just that in the 2000s, Britney, Christina, Beyoncé, Aaliyah, and other up-and-coming pop girlies all had formidable sex appeal. There was just more competition, and Mariah made sure she was up to par.
She stuck it out naturally for as long as possible, facially at least. Her look that night on Idol when she bopped Nicki's head off with, "Not everybody has that," looked like she was straight out of the Honey remix video.
The Stella era is really when she started heavily experimenting with Botox, which she most likely despised because she ended up redeeming herself in 2018 with yet another beauty peak and I honestly think she looks good even today. She hasn't had the bee-sting lips or the MJ nose.
She thickens her lips via makeup and, in my assessment, did a non-invasive nose slimming procedure, where they inject filler to achieve the desired shape but it's very minimal. She sort of just harmonizes with her natural features, which I actually appreciate. It's just the boobs that are overdone.
(Saturday 20 June 2026; 11:26)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,017 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (114,017)
by Dave from USA
| |
|
|
I would agree. It is odd that once she broke away from Tommy, where you would think she would continue to shine personally, she actually seemed to have less and less self esteem publicly. I'm not sure if it was the declining voice, which appears shot now, or because she started to put so much of her identity on her antics and looks, that as she aged, she grew more insecure. I was watching an old tape from when I saw her live in 92. She was so alive up on stage and her voice was so incredible.
(Thursday 18 June 2026; 20:36)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Mariah in Jamaica 2015 concert (114,023)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I love 420-riah. LMAO. I'm forever impressed by the 2nd verse of WBT in Jamaica. You can tell she wrote the song because of the way she ad libbed her way through it and still perfectly sat right on top of the melody and instrumentation, freaking phenomenal musical genius. Peep, "I gotta change the station."
(Friday 19 June 2026; 23:35)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,022 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Mariah in Jamaica 2015 concert (114,022)
by ADAM from USA
| |
|
|
On a positive note, I wanted to share with the community this link for MC's iconic Jamaica concert in 2015. This long form video is so heart warming to watch. Her adlibs were so creative and interesting. Her spirit was everything. Her tone was drastically different from the records but it didn't matter. She was a free spirit and I loved to watch every minute of this. I wish she would open up about her struggles as this person nowadays is a ghost of her former self. The amount of stuff she didn't address in her memoir easily warrants another book or two. I'm not anxious to see her memoir on film with Lee Daniels as I feel she's not an objective source to document what really happened and as today, the most interesting talking points would be what happened to her voice and we know she won't even touch the topic.
(Friday 19 June 2026; 21:25)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (114,014)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I agree with the untapped comedienne potential. People with deep trauma use humor to cope and inevitably become hilarious. Her imitation and accent skills are so underrated.
But fair, she is essentially a living corpse these days, not sure how she is going to navigate a movie set. I too am exhausted seeing her with no spark. She's rather dull even when she should be excited talking about something she loves like songwriting. The NY Times interview was saddening.
I miss pre-breakdown Mariah. She was so refreshingly interesting, articulate and intelligent.
(Thursday 18 June 2026; 11:24)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,008 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (114,008)
by TheButterflyReturns from United States
| |
|
|
I never said she's the next great phenomenal actress. All I said is that maybe there is some untapped potential there and that it's something Mariah could try again to get herself out of the rut she's in.
I swear some of you people are so argumentative and catty and want to misrepresent or malign people who post something that even slightly challenges your worldview.
(Wednesday 17 June 2026; 12:35)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
The perfect role (114,007)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
The thing is my pitch would be easy for MC. She already knows the struggle of a singing single mom via Patricia. She also know what it's like to be a "has been" and she's got a such a great sense of humor. This would just be her coming back to being little Mirage in middle school coping with only having 3 shirts on rotation by being a hilarious class clown. The material is make or break for acting, it needs to be right and she would just be a natural in comedy.
(Wednesday 17 June 2026; 12:09)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
114,005 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
The perfect role (114,005)
by Lainsky from Philippines
| |
|
|
If Mariah goes back into acting, a comedy or drama-dy is the genre that could fit her mediocre ability and personality. She's witty and funny. It might work. However, if she's really interested in acting, she can go to an acting workshop. I believe it would not be that hard. As a singer, she draws from her emotions; acting demands emotional depth to make performances believable and impactful for viewers.
(Wednesday 17 June 2026; 05:17)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
The perfect role (113,998)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I actually see Mariah doing a comedy classic. She could play as a poor, struggling single mom who's way past her prime but still convinced she's one performance away from superstardom.
She bounces around open mics, hotel lounges, bar gigs, county fairs, and singing competitions trying to make ends meet while demanding full diva treatment everywhere she goes. Her kids could be like, "I think only 18 year old girls should wear that." Or "Mom, again, no one knows that song anymore."
My bubbling scene idea is she gets booked to sing at a bar and arrogantly tells everyone, "Vegas called." People assume she's headlining a casino but it's actually just a run-down tavern. It'd also be freaking hilarious seeing her scramble together a superstar look with blue eye shadow, on a dollar-store budget.
The comedy comes from her having the confidence of a global superstar while living a life that's the opposite; it's rather unbelievably sad and pathetic. Add alcohol addiction somewhere. Couple of questionable low-life men. Think delusional, hysterical, unhinged, chaotic, and weirdly inspiring. Of course, the life lesson would be how family is really all that matters at the end. Working title: Ghetto Diva.
Everyone should throw their scene ideas here and we should help pitch it. It would help her connect with Patricia's story and heal her somehow. Comedy has always been her coping mechanism and I think it'd be fun to see her do some acting that's less serious. I honestly think she would do a good job.
(Tuesday 16 June 2026; 14:12)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,996 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (113,996)
by TheButterflyReturns from United States
| |
|
|
Who says you have to be "good" in order to pursue film and TV roles? There are plenty of people in the film and TV industry who are mediocre. Just look at anything that Tyler Perry has put out and you can see that superb acting chops are not a requirement to be in a hit film or TV show. At least it would be something different than robotically miming past hits.
And you forget... Mariah has already tried writing and producing for her other artists in the past with pretty middling results. I think her ego is too big to go back to letting other artists to sing stuff that she's written and produced. In the past, most of the things she wrote for other people were cast offs - songs she didn't want to keep for herself because they weren't very good. She's not disciplined enough to do what Diane Warren, Babyface and other professional songwriters do.
(Tuesday 16 June 2026; 12:26)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (113,990)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
JD is actually good though. I love Cruise Control, Love Story, and The One. But it did get stale around MIAM. They brought nothing new to the table.
He did evolve as a producer and got with the times eventually, though I'm not sure if I'd be excited. His latest hits are subpar: Pressure and Soft Girl Era, both by Ari Lennox. IMHO, A No No, written by Muni Long, was infinitely better.
Maybe Mariah, along with BMC, will bring out the best in him. The trio worked on SIO and DFAU, and they were solid bops. She's really pulling all her power moves to retire on a good note, it seems like.
The refusal to tap out is actually crazy. She's been flopping since Memoirs. It's been 17 years, and she is still going. I gotta respect the hustle.
(Monday 15 June 2026; 17:26)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,988 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (113,988)
by Bill from the UK
| |
|
|
I did see that my friend, and like every time I see her and JD in that damn studio together I inwardly sigh because she's once again staying in the same gear she's been in since Butterfly. At this point I'm wishing they are there to close that blessed studio down once and for all.
(Monday 15 June 2026; 14:51)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
MC songwriting (113,987)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
She kind of already wrote about those though: "Where do I go from here? How do I disappear?" is from the tremendous embarrassment of NYE. "I remember so many nights in the bed alone" is a precursor to being a single mom, and "all my tears dissipate cause our love is supernatural" is peak motherhood. I think it was Lara who said "but when you leave, you take a little bit of fiber that's embedded in me" may be about Roc & Roe going to Nick's for the weekend, and I actually agree with that read.
But true, I'm not exactly sure why there isn't an easily distinguishable theme in some of her songs. She writes rather vaguely. I tried to decipher HFIA, and what I got was essentially loving someone through the highs and lows of a relationship: the glory, the shakes, and withdrawals. The heart of the song is probably her children, though. It makes sense because they are the closest to her, and sadly they would also be the ones most affected by her mental illness.
Her writing is pretty abstract in my opinion, even in Portrait. It's all broad concepts and suggestive language. Languishing and TAOLG also fall into the same category. It's still very emotional but you can't always tell what/who it's about, at least for the average listener. I'd say she still managed to deliver the true emotion of those songs, but in a more indirect, symbolic way, probably for a reason. She is queen of discretion after all.
(Monday 15 June 2026; 11:39)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,980 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
MC songwriting (113,980)
by jaker20 from US
| |
|
|
I think she opened up with Here for It All (the song), but the rest of the album have generic lyrics because she doesn't want to open up. She can't keep in singing about things from 30 years ago, which is her way of hiding.
Why can't she write about motherhood, about the hardships of being alone without partner, about aging, about being viewed differently by the public. It would her to sing some lines and thoughts in The Meaning of Mariah.
But I think she is scared. Frankly it's easier to write experiences for a book matter-of-factly, than put emotions into those words through a song, because she is an artist.
(Monday 15 June 2026; 02:47)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (113,973)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
I was kind of half joking. She's probably capable of walking by herself when the high heels are off, but because of her perpetual low energy, she seems like the type who would rather not walk these days.
In 2018, when she publicly revealed her bipolar disorder, she said that she finally sought treatment (therapy and medication) after the hardest couple of years she had been through, so it was only then that she began receiving consistent, intensive treatment.
They definitely got her hooked on something, and to be completely honest, it feels like they're just slowly walking her into fully losing the spark she once had. She's not at all any better. In fact, she seem to be more exhausted than ever about life as the years go by.
(Sunday 14 June 2026; 13:56)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,972 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (113,972)
by TJ from Norway
| |
|
|
Your last point made me laugh. It is so sad if that is the real problem with her creativity. It is time to claim those insurance money.
(Sunday 14 June 2026; 11:32)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
It's a wrap (113,971)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
She's definitely still one hell of a writer though. With You proves that. And if you took away some of the production and the state of her voice, Cry, HFIA, and NII were pretty stellar work.
But fair, meds absolutely affect your creative process. She still has her writing chops, but because of this seemingly declining health she's got going on, it just takes longer.
Another thing I noticed is that Mariah has always said she likes to go on walks for ideas to come and marinate. It's also a way for creatives to work through a mental block. She can't even walk now.
(Sunday 14 June 2026; 08:15)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,966 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
It's a wrap (113,966)
by Lara from Middle East
| |
|
|
Her voice is seriously damaged from all these years, which is somehow expected. And her writing skills are nowhere where they're used to be, and that is probably from her medication literally blocking her brain. Most bipolar artists get creative during (hypo)mania episodes and the medication work on blocking those (among with the depressive ones). Mariah knows it but can't do anything about it, I guess that explains the lack of energy we see. Don't expect anything more from her, at this point I don't know if she's still enjoying making music with all her limitations.
(Sunday 14 June 2026; 00:21)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Everything Fades Away (113,957)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
The concept of her voice is still so mind-boggling to me. Feather-light on the soft tones, delicately sweet, with subtle built-in rasps that make it impossible to duplicate. Then she belts with such a force of resonance, yet the opulence stays intact. She is unbelievably ethereal in every register, it really doesn't make sense.
When you listen to the a cappella versions of Forever, OSD, My All, and Outside, you would actually be a fool not to admit she has the absolute greatest singing voice, nobody honestly comes close. Patti LaBelle was correct in her assessment when she said Mariah has the most phenomenal voice.
Your talent is essentially borrowed, and Mariah can confidently face the Creator one day and say, "Lord, I did the best with what You gave me." She did the most while she had it in pristine condition. For that, I'll always be eternally grateful.
(Friday 12 June 2026; 15:02)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,949 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Everything Fades Away (113,949)
by Lainsky from Philippines
| |
|
|
Yes, I used her Music Box album filler song to describe the current status of our queen's glamorous life. Come on, lambs. You cannot expect her to be the '90s Mariah. She's way past that. It's already written in history. Her glittery music career is taking its natural course. The peaks and valleys, and another set of peaks and valleys, had happened already. I am not saying she may not peak again. She may, but also may not, depending on her choices and the public's. However, let's face the hard reality that she's slowly fading away, at least the music she's putting out there recently. Everything fades like Aretha, Whitney, Janet, Madonna, and even Celine, Britney, and Christina A. They are no longer the singers they used to be, and neither is Mariah Carey. We can only hope for and pray for another peak, but we can also choose to be truthful, be happy, and content with the contribution she already made in the industry, the history she has written, and enjoy the songs and albums she worked really hard to put out there for us to enjoy forever.
Mariah can still do what she does to stay relevant. She was born to do it. However, we may put our expectations realistically. Her voice can never be the same. She's effing 57 years old and not 27, may I remind everyone? And singers can still sing in their old age, but not the way they sounded when they were young. Our speaking voice naturally loses its strength, much like the singing voice. It's a hard truth that we all need to accept instead of being disillusioned about her voice and singing career. Whether we like it or not, her light gradually dims, and she can only extend this before it completely fades, depending on the choices she makes in life. Everything eventually fades away.
(Thursday 11 June 2026; 05:54)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Article: Kris Jenner and Mariah Carey go glam for dinner at Giorgio Baldi (113,925)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
That's a bit crass. She's obsessed with being fabulous, yes, but at the core of it is growing up poor and being called ugly as a child. There's also the pressure that comes with being a global superstar, and Nick having a new supermodel by his side every other week probably doesn't help either.
The fact that she did a Hallmark movie with C-list actors debunks the idea that she's focused on maintaining an A-list image at all costs. And looking back after the series of legal battles, James feels more like a "handler" whose actions were meant to derail her wealth and damage her touring revenue via NYE disaster. She probably woke up this and is a lot more careful now on who she lets in.
But fair take with "it's all for the gram, the likes, and access to networks". I'm usually cynical too, but I get the sense that Kris sees Mariah as genuine. Mariah was reportedly the only person who brought Kris a gift on her birthday, and even Mariah's memoir came packaged with a tissue, signaling that she was about to share something deeply personal. I don't think Kris can stomach being fake to someone that's been that openly vulnerable with her.
It might even be the other way around. In an industry full of people putting on a façade, Kris may have found a rare bit of genuine sincerity in Mariah so she really values the friendship. Just a thought to ponder.
(Saturday 6 June 2026; 06:03)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,918 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Article: Kris Jenner and Mariah Carey go glam for dinner at Giorgio Baldi (113,918)
by ADAM from USA
| |
|
|
I think Mariah is obsessed with status. She wants to be viewed as A-list at all times. James Packer was her fiancée because he was a billionaire and that was an obvious flex. Kris Jenner is A-list in Hollywood for a long time so the associate makes sense. I don't think in reality any of these Hollywood friendships are really deep. It's all for the gram and likes and access to networks. Mariah seems only interested in her looks and wealth since her voice is gone.
(Friday 5 June 2026; 04:16)
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
Article: Kris Jenner and Mariah Carey go glam for dinner at Giorgio Baldi (113,916)
by Lambi from USA
| |
|
|
They're neighbors in Calabasas. Kris was one of the people Mariah sent her book to. We can assume she's aware of MC's lack of family support growing up and so I actually appreciated when she rallied the whole entire Kardashian clan to see a Christmas show. Kris' own words: "I'm so blessed and grateful for our friendship." We'll probably just leave it at that. They seem sweet and they really show up for you.
(Friday 5 June 2026; 00:28)
|
|
| this is a reply to message | |
113,915 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
Article: Kris Jenner and Mariah Carey go glam for dinner at Giorgio Baldi (113,915)
by Stacey from USA
| |
|
|
Given the concerns we have for MC's mental health, I think I'd be more worried if Mariah chose to isolate herself rather then spending time with friends. I hope she enjoyed her night out with Kris.
(Thursday 4 June 2026; 18:00)
|
|
|
|
|
|
Only registrated members can post messages.
Registration is free.
|
|
If you want to leave a message, there are a few rules you must follow:
| 1. |
This is a Mariah Carey messageboard, so the message must be related to Mariah Carey. |
| 2. |
Only messages in English will be posted. And please try to write understandable English,
with the proper use of dots and capitals. |
| 3. |
Messages with all capitals will be ignored. |
| 4. |
Messages that are insulting (to Mariah, other artists or members of this messageboard) will
not be posted. |
The webmaster has the right to refuse any message he doesn't like.
|
|
|



|