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About Jamie from UK: Mariah fan since 1990, favourite album is Music Box, Favourite song is Can't Let Go.

So 1997 (114,602) by Jamie from UK Maybe she's waiting for the 40 year anniversary for the debut or there's some technicality's currently that is preventing her from releasing the demo tape and unheard songs. Who knows? I think it will come at some point, we just have to be patient. But Mariah hasn't already given us more in the past 12 months than other legacy artists and there's more to come in October with Glitter so I'm not complaining. (Sunday 27 September 2026; 13:54) this is a reply to message 114,601

So 1997 (114,601) by TJ from Norway I forgot the 25 years release. What happened to her debut album and the vault? I'm confused. (Sunday 27 September 2026; 08:39)

Mariah Christmas in the UK (114,599) by Jamie from UK I'm the same. I made the decision a couple of years ago not to see her live again, which also makes me sad. My family can't believe it but the reason I used to want to go and watch her has gone. I still love her and always will but her performances now are not the Mariah I love. For those that go I hope you have a great time but it's a no from me. (Saturday 26 September 2026; 13:32) this is a reply to message 114,592

Mariah Christmas in the UK (114,592) by Lee from UK I was so close to buying tickets for me and my partner to the Manchester show but I hovered over the "Get These Tickets" button for too long. My sensible brain kicked in and said "Are you really going to spend all of this money to watch Mariah give nothing on stage and lipsync like a mime to pre-recorded vocals?" I then closed my browser and went back to work. I feel sad about it but after paying to see her in Sandringham and feeling disappointed, I do not want to be duped again. (Friday 25 September 2026; 09:52)

So 1997 (114,598) by Jamie from UK I don't think we will get an MC30 for Butterfly as we got a 25th anniversary edition so I don't think the need is there. She definitely needs to do something with the debut and Emotions albums though, I need me some more new unheard songs from that era. (Saturday 26 September 2026; 13:27) this is a reply to message 114,597

So 1997 (114,597) by TJ from Norway I like to believe that 1997 was yesterday and that Butterfly still has some singles on the top 100's. And then I looked at the calendar. I just realised that we might be very lucky next year if she keeps up the tradition with her 30th anniversary albums. She has expressed her love for that album so many times, that I really do believe she can do some magic with such a release. What do you think? (Friday 25 September 2026; 23:08)

Glitter and Daydream (114,461) by Jamie from UK Me too. I have loads of original vinyl from back in the day but I've never got involved in the new vinyl revival, it's just one more thing to get obsessed with and spend unnecessary money. (Sunday 23 August 2026; 21:06) this is a reply to message 114,451

Glitter and Daydream (114,451) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain I only buy CDs. (Sunday 23 August 2026; 02:19)

Glitter 25th anniversary (114,443) by Jamie from UK I hope so, having that many new tracks would be amazing. (Saturday 22 August 2026; 09:50) this is a reply to message 114,431

Glitter 25th anniversary (114,431) by Xavier mariohmix from Spain Can this be for real? (Friday 21 August 2026; 21:27)

New remix (114,426) by Jamie from UK Just looked at the physical cd on her store and it's only the original album. Or do we think that will change once the extra tracks are released? (Thursday 20 August 2026; 21:21) this is a reply to message 114,420

New remix (114,420) by Bill from the UK The new remix is fab and according to the Deluxe placeholder on Amazon Music, we're getting 15 extra tracks including the new remix. I assume another two will be Out Here On My Own and Firecracker, but I will absolutely die if the Prince duet that was shelved has been cleared for release. Daydream and Glitter both getting this love in one year is incredible. Please Mariah don't forget about your stellar debut and the beautiful Emotions albums. (Thursday 20 August 2026; 14:28)

New remix (114,418) by Jamie from UK I'm loving this new laid back remix of [Didn't mean to turn you on]. According to the web it contains new vocals from Mariah, is this correct? (Thursday 20 August 2026; 11:39)

Glitter anniversary (114,399) by Jamie from UK Yes I can't wait. Two anniversaries releases in one year, I can't cope. Just what I need right now. (Monday 17 August 2026; 09:39) this is a reply to message 114,397

Glitter anniversary (114,397) by Stacey from USA I am happy Glitter is getting the anniversary treatment. For so long MC avoided Glitter for obvious personal and professional reasons. What changed is when the fans pushed Glitter to #1 on iTunes and MC realized yeah life sucked during that time, but dang Glitter did produce some pretty awesome vocals. Hello Lead The Way. (Monday 17 August 2026; 03:40)

A song's quality doesn't come from chart position (114,392) by Jamie from UK Yeah she defo needed to sing full voice on that record. (Thursday 13 August 2026; 22:24) this is a reply to message 114,385

A song's quality doesn't come from chart position (114,385) by Bill from the UK Through the Rain gets good from the bridge onwards, but until then it’s just a whisper-fest with weak production. That song could have, and should have, been epic. It needed a fuller vocal for the verses, and the production could have really gone all out with an orchestra, strings, choir etc. To me it just sounds like a demo and half baked. (Thursday 13 August 2026; 10:43)

Caution reflections (114,370) by Jamie from UK 100%. I Don't with a more tasteful video. I love Unforgettable. (Saturday 8 August 2026; 11:39) this is a reply to message 114,369

Caution reflections (114,369) by Bill from the UK Caution's great but I would have substituted GTFO for either I Don't or Unforgettable. She killed every hope of any radio airplay but releasing that song first. Honestly what the hell was she thinking. (Saturday 8 August 2026; 10:40)

Madonna reached number 1 (114,314) by Jamie from UK I don't think the album is as good as HFIA tbh, I've listened to it once and wasn't impressed at all, very much the same sound throughout. I'll give it another go though. The only problem with HFIA was the vocals, otherwise it would have been red hot. (Tuesday 28 July 2026; 23:30) this is a reply to message 114,299

Madonna reached number 1 (114,299) by Bobby A from United States Madonna reconnected with the gay community with Confessions II. Besides the Lambs, who is really MC's other core audience? She has to reconnect with that core audience again. (Sunday 26 July 2026; 19:46)

Soulless (114,273) by Jamie from UK I don't even think it's medicated as such I think it's something more neurological, the funny facial expressions it's like something is seriously wrong, like dementia or something along those lines. (Wednesday 22 July 2026; 20:18) this is a reply to message 114,252

Soulless (114,252) by Edward from USA That UTS snippet sounds fine, but she looks heavily medicated, with that empty, almost soulless stare. I'm genuinely concerned about her well-being. I hope she's doing okay. (Tuesday 21 July 2026; 01:23)

Daydream 30 (114,220) by Jamie from UK Yeah I noticed that I thought she would have done them all. (Saturday 18 July 2026; 01:09) this is a reply to message 114,213

Daydream 30 (114,213) by Dennis from Miami, FL She commented only a half of the tracks. I wish she shared more. Also there's nothing about Someone's Ugly Daughter. (Friday 17 July 2026; 15:58)

Daydream 30 (114,206) by Jamie from UK If you have Amazon music she introduces each song and gives a description. She sounds quite sedated but nice to hear her take on each track. (Friday 17 July 2026; 12:08) this is a reply to message 114,204

Daydream 30 (114,204) by Bill from the UK Agree, the tracklist looks great though it's a shame to not see the Rotterdam Hero and Emotions included as they were epic, especially Hero where she took the whole bridge to another level and her stratospheric belts. The Underneath the Stars remix sounds good, I was always a fan of Eric Kupper mixes in the 90s, didn't know he was still knocking around. I am really really intrigued with the writing sessions, especially with it featuring Walter and Babyface. (Friday 17 July 2026; 09:42)

Daydream 30 (114,203) by Jamie from UK Underneath The Stars Eric Kupper mix is my favourite. I was hoping for a couple more unheard songs but the live songs from Rotterdam are great. She defo could have included some London ones for Bill and I to reminisce. I'm not over keen on acappella tracks as a whole if I'm honest but it's great to hear her voice on the writing sessions. (Friday 17 July 2026; 09:17) this is a reply to message 114,199

Daydream 30 (114,199) by Bobby A from United States The tracklist is worth it. It is like we are getting a brand new Daydream album. (Thursday 16 July 2026; 19:56)

Whitney vs MC (114,158) by Jamie from UK Fantastic post Ed. I used to defend Mariah to the hills now I don't. I'm honest about her current ability and quite open that I will not go to her concerts again at this time. Whilst it's sad, I find being honest more helpful to myself. Maybe Mariah needs to start being more honest or at least the people around her. (Tuesday 14 July 2026; 09:17) this is a reply to message 114,156

Whitney vs MC (114,156) by Edward from USA Perception matters, my dear, especially when it comes to being taken seriously as an artist. Whitney was always Whitney. At her peak, she was phenomenal, and at her lowest, she never relied on smoke and mirrors to convince people she could still sing the way she once did. Everyone knew her voice had declined, but she still got on stage and sang. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but people respected the honesty. She also remained grounded. Even during the darkest periods of her life, she came across as authentic and self aware. She could sit down for an interview, have an intelligent conversation, laugh at herself, and connect with people. That authenticity went a long way in shaping how the public perceived her. In my opinion, Mariah is actually the superior overall vocalist. Her range, agility, musicality, and songwriting place her in a league of her own. But somewhere along the way, as Britney once said, she started believing her own hype, and everything went downhill from there. The biggest issue isn't even the vocal decline itself. It happens to every great singer eventually. Aretha's voice was basically shot by the time she passed. The difference is how Mariah chose to handle it. She leaned more and more into heavy lipping, to the point where entire concerts often feel more choreographed around playback cues than live singing. There's a huge difference between using backing tracks for a difficult climax or to protect your voice and essentially lipping through 80% of a concert. Whitney was booed in Australia and criticized elsewhere because people could hear that her voice wasn't what it once was. Some fans even walked out. But she still stood there and sang. She didn't try to convince the audience they were hearing something they weren't. Whether people enjoyed the performance or not, there was an honesty to it that earned respect. People also forget that Whitney remained remarkably consistent for nearly two decades. Even on "Just Whitney", released in 2002, she still sounded very good considering everything she was dealing with. Mariah's vocal consistency, on the other hand, began to decline much earlier, only about seven years into her career. She could still blow and make great albums like "Glitter", but reproducing that level of singing live became increasingly difficult, and that's what stayed in people's minds. Then there's the performance aspect. Whitney remained a natural entertainer almost until the end. Mariah, by contrast, has become increasingly limited on stage over the past decade. Whether it's because of physical limitations, high heels, or simply her bipolar condition, she often appears stiff and overly cautious, which only reinforces the perception that everything is carefully controlled. So yes, I still believe Mariah is the greater overall artist. But I also think she bears the responsibility for the way she's perceived today. It's not just because her voice changed. It's because of the image she cultivated, the reliance on heavy lipping, and the over the top diva persona that eventually ended up lifting her feet from solid ground and devouring her. Legacy isn't built solely on vocal ability, chart records, or awards. It's also built on credibility, authenticity, and the impression you leave on people. That's why artists like Whitney, Barbra Streisand, and Celine Dion continue to command a certain level of universal respect. Their accomplishments matter, but so does the way they've carried themselves. Mariah's legacy is extraordinary, and nothing can erase what she's accomplished. But perception matters. It's what people remember when your name comes up in conversation. Sadly, even many of her longtime fans who once proudly wore her name on their heads now prefer to keep it to themselves. I don't think that's because we've stopped loving her. It's because, over the years, she's made it increasingly difficult for us to defend her, people can't seem to separate the legendary artist from the diva persona she's keeps holding on to. She really thinks the diva persona is killing it, and she's actually right about it. (Monday 13 July 2026; 17:16)

MC's best bridge (114,093) by Jamie from UK Everything I do is for you And you are every part of me And I don't want to face Another day Alone Without your love (Saturday 4 July 2026; 09:38) this is a reply to message 114,091

MC's best bridge (114,091) by Stacey from USA Tell me what you need Let me give you all of me 'Cause without you nothing's real You're the reason that I feel Tell me what you need Let me give you everything Every moment I'm alive Until the end of time life (Saturday 4 July 2026; 00:19)

Getting our Mariah back (114,045) by Jamie from UK Changing the subject... I'm just watching a Madonna interview here in the UK, and whilst her behaviour over recent years has been questionable it's nice to see that she's still coherent and can hold a conversation with the interviewer. She's both relaxed and engaged and relatable. This is as we've said where Mariah is going wrong, the body of work she produced for [Here for it all] was great but you can't connect with her on a regular level. Madonna is drawing me in as I'm able to connect with her and who she was is still there, she's still the Madonna we know. If Mariah could get back to that level of connection I'm sure she could draw more people into her new music. I really think that should be her main focus now, have someone to manage her persona as such, get her more connected with her audience again and get her back to who she was and who people know. If it means disappearing for a year or so completely to get herself back then so be it. (Saturday 27 June 2026; 11:11)

Taylor Swift (114,044) by Jamie from UK I've never got the Taylor hype. I liked a few songs from the Red and 1989 albums but couldn't tell you any after that. I think it's been a very calculated business venture that's paid off. No singers have become billionaires before, this was a strategically planned exercise using social media to captivate the audience especially the young generation. Although as we know nothing lasts forever so watch this space. Mariah and all the other greats earned their audience and awards from hard work and people physically going out to buy their music. Now you don't even have to get off your couch for it to count towards a number one. I know what I'd rather have achieved and it's definitely not the Taylor model. (Saturday 27 June 2026; 11:09) this is a reply to message 114,040

Taylor Swift (114,040) by Randy from USA Even though I don't post much more anymore, I still troll this board to catch reactions, I'm shocked no one has anything to say about Taylor Swift's 15th number one. Has everyone just resigned MC is not gonna hold on to her record? Ima be honest, when I used to spar against a Whitney fan about MC having more number ones. He used to say, yeah but Whitney's are known. I could make the argument Didn't We Almost Have It All isn't well known. For MC Thank God I Found You is obscure. But with Taylor Swift and Drake, I maybe could name 4 a piece. Maybe it's generational. I mean The Beatles are musicians, singers and songwriters. Mariah was a masterful vocalist and is still a killer songwriter. Whitney is probably the greatest live singer of all time. MJ and Madonna are American cultural iconic figures as much as Coke and Levi's. I just don't see Taylor Swift, Rihanna or Drake anywhere near as important. That's the insult of MCs record being in jeopardy for me. (Friday 26 June 2026; 21:23)

It's a wrap (114,020) by Jamie from UK I’ll have to dig out my ticket and see what seat I was in relation to you lol. Yes we lived through the best times. Artists decline over the years is inevitable but I would never in a million years have predicted we would be where we are at now. (Friday 19 June 2026; 16:29) this is a reply to message 114,019

It's a wrap (114,019) by Bill from the UK Me too. I've found some peace living in my 90s bubble and enjoying her performances, interviews, albums, and remixes from that decade. So glad I was there at the time and witnessed it all first hand, and I'll be eternally grateful that I attended the Daydream Tour's London concert. I still get a pang when I watch her interview on This Morning in the UK, where she said "I would never lip sync." Oh Mariah. (Friday 19 June 2026; 15:35)

It's a wrap (114,018) by Jamie from UK Yes watching her early interviews she's all about the music. Now all she really cares about is how she looks, some of which will have affected her voice indirectly and directly. She once said she wasn't all about the glitz and glamour. Now that's all she's about. It's a real shame she went this way, but she only has herself to blame. It was cute at first but eventually it's overtaken the music and even her personality. She will never be like she was but it would be nice for her to still be humble and connected. I used to follow Mariah to hotels just to get a glimpse of her, I couldn't wait to see her on TV or in concerts, I'd constantly be chasing down memorabilia. It's a sad day when I'm clinging onto the old Mariah and the pre 2016 Mariah as I currently feel disconnected from who she is right now. It makes me sad to feel this way. (Friday 19 June 2026; 14:21) this is a reply to message 114,017

It's a wrap (114,017) by Dave from USA I would agree. It is odd that once she broke away from Tommy, where you would think she would continue to shine personally, she actually seemed to have less and less self esteem publicly. I'm not sure if it was the declining voice, which appears shot now, or because she started to put so much of her identity on her antics and looks, that as she aged, she grew more insecure. I was watching an old tape from when I saw her live in 92. She was so alive up on stage and her voice was so incredible. (Thursday 18 June 2026; 20:36)

Music Box tour (MSG) (113,919) by Jamie from UK Thanks for that, she really was a force of nature there. (Friday 5 June 2026; 09:25) this is a reply to message 113,912

Music Box tour (MSG) (113,912) by Billy from Greece I was revisiting this concert today. Such a force vocally, a generational talent no doubt. When she breaks into the club remix of "Dreamlover" and starts vibing and adlibbing, wow, what a time to be young and experience that concert. She's practically jogging on stage while belting out. So nostalgic watching her so young and delivering at the max of her powers. (Wednesday 3 June 2026; 12:23)

What a breath of fresh air MCA is (113,870) by Jamie from UK Welcome to the site Syed. Great post and insight into things. (Wednesday 27 May 2026; 16:02) this is a reply to message 113,849

What a breath of fresh air MCA is (113,849) by Syed from UK Hey everyone. I never knew about this site until today. I can't begin to tell you how refreshing it is to see actual conversations about our queen as opposed to an endless barrage of GIF's and emoji's under every Mariah post on Facebook, Insta, etc. And well articulated conversations - at that. I might not completely agree with every comment I've read, I think 1 or 2 border on overly critical, but it's good to see a diverse mixture of opinions from Lambs, without overt censorship. I agree with some of the viewpoints here that Mariah increasingly does not seem like her usual self these days. It may be her condition, a side effect of medication, or past (and recent) trauma resurfacing, a combination of all the above, or... something unrelated. As Lambs, the best thing we can do is to support Mariah in any we we can. Because that's what she did for us through countless songs such as: Hero, Can't take that away, Make it happen, and so many others. We also need to overlook any behaviors we might not agree with because A) It's hard to trust anything you see online anymore (thanks AI) and media never shows us the true picture, only a distorted version that "sells" better. And B) We are not in her shoes, as much as we may think we know her, we only know her through the lens of the media, mostly. What she may be going through or battling internally and how they might manifest outwardly are things we need to be mindful of. Just be kind. As she has always been to us. What do I feel could help? Well... if I had a magic wand I'd whisk Mariah away to a place where she could spend some time being in touch with nature, walk down a street without being recognized, and feel genuine excitement reconnecting with the simple things in life. It may not solve everything but I could literally guarantee that she'd feel a positive difference. Call it intuition (I share a lot of uncanny coincidences with Mariah) or just my observation of Mariah over the years and knowing the person she is beneath the exterior. About me: - Lamb since 1993 - when I first heard Dreamlover in a clothes store. - I can confidently say I wouldn't be where I am today, without her music to help me through so many rough times. - Creator of the "40 Hidden Mariah songs challenge" which is a tribute to Mimi plus fun Easter Egg hunt for the Lambily, you can catch it here if you'd like to try solving it. - Recorded and released my own song in 2 languages based on a wish to "pay forward" what Mariah's music did for me, with a song that gives others hope. Took me just 20 years to make it happen. Have a great weekend everyone and again really nice to meet you all. (Saturday 23 May 2026; 19:26)

Brenda K on relationship with MC (113,756) by Jamie from UK Thanks for the edit Eric, what I called her debut/first album is her 2nd. I always thought the [I want your love] album came after Brenda K. Starr and By Heart. The Brenda K. Starr is the best. (Friday 1 May 2026; 16:34) this is a reply to message 113,755

Brenda K on relationship with MC (113,755) by Jamie from UK Plus Brenda's 2nd album "By Heart" [ed: third album] is no where as good as her debut album. The fact she was dropped isn't anything to do with Mariah. Brenda's first album is one of my cycling and running playlist as it's pure 80's vibes (Friday 1 May 2026; 15:14)

Brenda K on relationship with MC (113,755) by Jamie from UK Plus Brenda's 2nd album "By Heart" [ed: third album] is no where as good as her debut album. The fact she was dropped isn't anything to do with Mariah. Brenda's first album is one of my cycling and running playlist as it's pure 80's vibes (Friday 1 May 2026; 15:14) this is a reply to message 113,752

Brenda K on relationship with MC (113,752) by TJ from Norway But Brenda K Starr is also making up a story here, isn't she (not asking myself, just adding something more to my other message)? Didn't Mariah release I still Believe in 1998 or something, and the Around the World DVD in 99? Wasn't her breakdown in 2001? We are all getting older and forgetful. That includes Brenda too. (Friday 1 May 2026; 10:12)

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