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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: Bill (95,349) (95,352) by Bill from the UK Thank you for the courteous response. I respect your view as well. (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 21:17)

Re: TMOMC (95,348) (95,351) by Bill from the UK Oh Terna for once just shut up. (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 20:39)

Re: TMOMC (95,343) (95,345) by Bill from the UK I get what you're saying, it is Mariah's story to tell in whatever way she wants. How airing your family's dirty laundry in public for the entire world to read is cathartic and healing is beyond me. But maybe that's just me. She is known as a singer and, desperately, has always sought recognition for her songwriting. Mariah's previous stance of adopting a wall of silence on all things personal said all there was to say really, e.g., it's not worth my time to comment on tabloid fodder. We know the Tommy story. And Nick. And Stella. We know about Glitter. We know she's biracial. We know Alison has been a thorn in her side. We know she doesn't know J. Lo. What we *don't* know is how she came up with that heavenly, gospel flavoured bridge in Vision of Love, her behind the scenes battle to put out the Fantasy remix she believed so much in, how Outside took on so many meanings for so many people, how she unknowingly contributed to the holiday song canon when she (at first, reluctantly) made her Christmas album, how motherhood has changed her drive and perspective, how she worked with Gavin Christopher before Ben Margulies came along, how she sang with those jazz musicians late at night in her youth, how Someday was apparently considered being purchased for Whitney's "I'm Your Baby Tonight" album but Mariah believed so much in it that she turned down the offer. This is what I want to read about. But, like I said, maybe it's just me. (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 14:50)

Daydream anniversary (95,342) by Bill from the UK Apparently the Underneath the Stars video will appear on or around Daydream's anniversary this month. David Morales was interviewed recently and commented that he did remixes for Forever, but that they never were released. I wonder if MC will put out a Forever EP around the same time also? (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 14:01)

Re: Best written song 90-99 (95,337) (95,340) by Bill from the UK Without question, All I Want for Christmas Is You is the best. But The Roof is a close second. (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 11:17)

Re: The Ballads-Deluxe Edition (95,331) (95,338) by Bill from the UK I think it is item 3445 on this site's discography. It appears to be the same tracks as the US edition, but with a sample of her perfume. (Wednesday 2 September 2020; 07:55)

Re: Article: Mariah after midnight (95,325) (95,326) by Bill from the UK I see what you mean, but at the same time it seems this great opportunity to shake off the forever-late, shady, arrogant diva image she's cultured over the years and display her musical genius and an insight into her production technique, writing for others, vocal harmonies, singing style etc. has been lost. From what I've seen so far, the book is shaping up to be one big score settler. And who does that benefit? (Tuesday 1 September 2020; 15:42)

Re: Article: Mariah after midnight (95,302) (95,324) by Bill from the UK The most heartbreaking thing about that article was the reference to her "ex" brother and sister. The Carey household just seems so broken. Even Mariah referring to her mother calling the ambulance when she was attempting to kill herself as a "betrayal". I mean what on earth is a mother supposed to do in that situation? Surely now Mariah has her own children she can, more than ever, understand the actions she took at the time, when in a state of panic. Personally I wanted all the family issues to not be addressed and it solely focus on her musicianship, her songwriting, the meaning behind songs, behind the scenes stories as to how her biggest hits came about. I still hold out hope the book does focus heavily on that. (Tuesday 1 September 2020; 10:27)

Re: Babyface (95,290) (95,291) by Bill from the UK Baby-face produced When You Believe for Whitney and Mariah so I think that was the official last time they worked together. I also loved Mariah's contribution to Every Time I Close My Eyes. (Monday 31 August 2020; 11:47)

Re: Jereministroke (95,280) (95,284) by Bill from the UK I know you were being funny, but my database does actually record the barcodes of my collection lol. (Sunday 30 August 2020; 14:31)

Re: Butterfly Bossa Nova Remix (95,276) (95,277) by Bill from the UK For me it's not so much the rarity. I was fortunate to obtain the promo CD in 1997/1998 for not that much money at a record fare. What I like about it is how different it is. By that point, the standard Morales dance mix was becoming cliché, with the usual programmed drums, ostinato keyboards playing major chords, and unaccompanied vocal breakdown. The Bossa Nova was like a breath of fresh air, and it's still never really been bettered for originality. (Saturday 29 August 2020; 20:38)

Re: New vocabulary (95,267) (95,275) by Bill from the UK Haha. I've been trying since 1999 to use "delectable" in a sentence. (Saturday 29 August 2020; 17:58)

Re: Rarities tracklisting - real? (95,262) (95,271) by Bill from the UK In fairness, there is an awful lot of material that hasn't been released before if the tracklisting is real. The three b sides, whilst most of us have them on singles, fans have been screaming for them to be more readily available than they are, especially Slipping Away. Personally I'm looking forward to having them all together. As for All In Your Mind Take 2, I'm holding out hope of a deluxe 30th edition of the debut that will feature demo recordings and alternate takes. That would be an amazing way to end MC30, by going right back to where it all began. (Saturday 29 August 2020; 09:23)

Re: Butterfly Bossa Nova Remix (95,266) (95,270) by Bill from the UK Yep, one of the best mixes she ever did and in my top ten for sure. (Saturday 29 August 2020; 09:15)

Rarities tracklisting - real? (95,257) by Bill from the UK Saw this go by on Reddit. Think the track list is all but confirmed now. The ordering is incorrect here in some cases, but I've seen these titles crop up on most speculative lists. Hypnotized, Can You Hear Me, Crave and the original Loverboy are what I am most excited for. (Friday 28 August 2020; 16:53)

Re: Butterfly EPs and recap (95,254) (95,256) by Bill from the UK Haha. Not sure I could manage that job, but I certainly would happily work as her archivist and compilation/EP/remix consultant (for free of course). (Friday 28 August 2020; 15:58)

Re: Vision Of Love EP (95,252) (95,255) by Bill from the UK Correct Will. Vision of Love, Love Takes Time, I Don't Wanna Cry, Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, If It's Over, Hero, Without You, Endless Love, All I Want for Christmas Is You, Joy to the World, Open Arms, and Forever are all EP-less singles currently. No remixes were commissioned for Vision of Love, I'll Be There, If It's Over, Without You and Forever, so that makes sense. Open Arms and Hero only had their Spanish versions. However, Love Takes Time, I Don't Wanna Cry, and Can't Let Go had radio versions released on the singles at the time. Up until now I haven't included Love Takes Time's single version on my list because it is so barely different it is probably just a different mix rather than an official alternative version. For those interested, the version released on the UK commercial singles pushes the whistle register at the end of the bridge way into the back of the mix, whereas on the album version it is much more prominent. I'm hoping the Christmas tracks have their own EPs soon. I agree a Vision of Love EP with the live versions from Thanksgiving, MSG and the Medley from the debut album would have been good. (Friday 28 August 2020; 15:57)

#1s Era Remix EPs (95,251) by Bill from the UK As before, here are my hopes and thoughts for the #1s remix EPs. There are some amazingly rare, and brilliant, remixes of Do You Know Where You're Going To that I pray will appear. Fingers crossed. * Denotes a vinyl only release. [P] Denotes a promo only release. Sweetheart 1. Radio Edit 2. Without Rap 3. The Story 4. The Story Instrumental 5. The Dance 6. Lil Jon Remix 7. Instrumental [P] 8. A Cappella [P] 9. M.'s Pounding Vocal 10. M.'s More Bounce to the Ounce Vocal* [P] 11. M.'s Pounding Dub* [P] 12. M.'s Beats & Bounces Mix* [P] A handful of vinyl-only, promo-only remixes for Sweetheart which I hope will see the light of day digitally. The promos are all relatively easy to find however. When You Believe 1. TV Track 2. Instrumental I very much doubt these will be issued - but would be great if they were put out with the Oscar performance or something. I Still Believe 1. Stevie J. Remix 2. Stevie J. Remix Edit [P] 3. Stevie J. Remix Instrumental* 4. Stevie J. Remix Clean 5. Stevie J. Remix A Cappella* 6. Morales Classic Club Mix 7. Morales Classic Club Mix Edit 8. Morales Classic Club Mix - UK Edit 9. Damizza Reemix 10. Damizza Reemix Edit 11. Damizza Reemix A Cappella 12. Damizza Reemix Instrumental* 13. The King's Mix 14. The King's Mix Instrumental 15. The Eve of Souls Mix 16. The Eve of Souls Mix - UK Edit There is a 10-track EP already available for streaming. Hopefully MC30 will remove that and replace it with the 16 available remixes mentioned above. Do You Know Where You're Going To 1. Mahogany Club [P] 2. Mohogany Club Extended [P] 3. Mahogany for Clubbers [P] 4. Mariah Bonita [P] 5. Mariah Bonita Club [P] 6. Mariah Bonita Club Edit [P] These are the ones that would be brilliant to have. Only available on a Brazilian promotional picture CD (899.743/2-492409). I sold mine for about £700 a while ago, so would love to have these again. (Friday 28 August 2020; 13:14)

Butterfly EPs and recap (95,250) by Bill from the UK Hi all. Everyone set your faces to bored, it's the return of Bill's Weekly Remix EP Recap. I'm also going to start including track times where applicable to help differentiate remixes. The main highlight is of course the Butterfly Meme club remixes, which were previously only available on South American promotional CDs. They were mega rare and also unbelievably expensive whenever they appeared for sale on eBay etc. When I hit hard times I reluctantly sold my copies (Mexican and Brazilian variants). I was heartbroken, as I knew I'd never likely possess them again, but I was £1,800 better off lol. I was also very glad to see Breakdown get its own EP, as I was worried it would be skipped due to there only being two remixes - nice to see it fleshed out with the album version, which we all love. There were also some vinyl-only remixes that are now available to stream and download in clean, crisp quality: Honey (Def Rascal Anthem) Honey (Def Rascal Dub) The Roof (After Hours Mix) The Roof (Bass Man Mix) That said, unfortunately there have once again been some omissions from the EPs. Only The Roof and Breakdown were fully in tact. Honey Smooth Version No Intro (4:25) The Smooth Version with Intro (4:47) was released commercially in a number of territories across a number of formats. The No Intro version was only available on a handful of promotional items. Given MC has been releasing promotional-only remixes (Underneath the Stars, Butterfly etc.), I'm surprised this wasn't included for completeness. Butterfly TV Track (8:44) TV Track Short (4:21) Sambatterfly (8:26) I was so, so disappointed that these three were not present on the EP, as they will likely never now be available to stream. The Samba Edit (4:44) and the Samba For Clubbers (8:28) made it, so why the regular Samba version (8:26) didn't is a mystery. The Mexican promo CD (PRCD 97251) contains all three. I can only suspect it was deemed to be the same remix due to the track length being the same as the For Clubbers version. The TV Tracks being missing is also quite frustrating for completists like myself. Again, my suspicion is that they were thought the same as the Radio Instrumental and Instrumental club mixes, but they are of course different. The TV Tracks are on the Brazilian promo CD (899.500). My All Full Crew Main Mix Full Crew Main Mix Without Rap* Full Crew Main Mix Instrumental* Only one of the Full Crew remixes (the Radio Mix) has been included. The Main Mix was available commercially on a number of releases, so I can't fathom why it never appeared. A real shame is that the Without Rap and Instrumental versions were promotional, vinyl-only remixes, so my dream of owning Mariah's entire remix catalogue digitally has now been shattered into a million pieces. Mi Todo Original Version Version Por Una Noche Mas Version Mi Fiesta Por Una Noche Mas En Los Clubs Por Una Noche Mas Instrumental I'm holding out hope these will be included at a later date alongside the Spanish Versions of Hero and Open Arms. These are great mixes, that are also very hard to find, so a bit of a blow to not see them this week. The only commercially available version is the original, and that appears on a very scarce Mexican single (CDMIX 658685). The remixes can be found on the Mexican promotional CD PRCD 97427. Below is the running log of missed remixes. Hopefully the Merry Christmas ones will appear nearer the festive season. An asterisk* denotes the remix is available only on a vinyl release. A [P] at the end denotes a promotional-only remix that is not available on a commercial release. Missed Remixes Log I Don't Wanna Cry (Radio Edit) [P] Medley (Prisoner/All In Your Mind/Someday) Can't Let Go (Edit) Can't Let Go (Edit - No Intro) [P] Make It Happen (Extended Version - Radio Edit) [P] Hero (Spanish Version) Endless Love (Instrumental) Endless Love (Mariah Only) Endless Love (Luther Only) All I Want for Christmas Is You (So So Def Remix) All I Want for Christmas Is You (Extra Festive) All I Want for Christmas Is You (Super Festive) All I Want for Christmas Is You (Mariah's New Dance Mix) All I Want for Christmas Is You (Mariah's New Dance Mix Edit) All I Want for Christmas Is You (Mariah's New Dance Mix Extended) Joy to the World (Celebration Mix) Joy to the World (Celebration Mix Edit) Joy to the World (Flava Mix) Joy to the World (Crash Dub Crash)* Joy to the World (Club Mix) Miss You Most (At Christmas Time) (Radio Version) [P] Fantasy (Puffy's Mix) Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul Mix) Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul Dub) Always Be My Baby (Reggae Soul Acapella)* Open Arms (Spanish Version) Honey (Smooth Version No Intro) [P] Butterfly (Sambatterfly) [P] Butterfly (TV Track) [P] Butterfly (TV Track Short) [P] My All (Full Crew Main Mix) My All (Full Crew Main Mix Without Rap)* [P] My All (Full Crew Main Mix Instrumental)* [P] Mi Todo (Original Version) Mi Todo (Version Por Una Noche Mas) [P] Mi Todo (Version Mi Fiesta) [P] Mi Todo (Por Una Noche Mas En Los Clubs) [P] Mi Todo (Por Una Noche Mas Instrumental) [P] (Friday 28 August 2020; 12:44)

MC30 tomorrow (95,238) by Bill from the UK I really, really hope we go back to remix EPs tomorrow and that the Butterfly's stellar singles get their day in the sun. Hopefully we don't get "Why You Save the Day" feat. Bieber, French Montana and T.I. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 18:17)

Re: Mariah Carey green vinyl (95,211) (95,213) by Bill from the UK Thank you so much (double exclamation mark). Lol Edward, stop it. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 00:32)

Mariah Carey green vinyl (95,204) by Bill from the UK Would any US fans be willing to help me get a green vinyl copy of the debut album from Walmart please? I'll of course pay for everything (sending to UK etc.). If so, please leave your email so I can contact you. (Tuesday 25 August 2020; 19:28)

Re: Save the day (95,176) (95,183) by Bill from the UK I think airplay plays a massive part in chart placements on Billboard. So, if radio won't pick it up, it won't go anywhere. (Monday 24 August 2020; 20:17)

Re: Save The Day (95,169) (95,171) by Bill from the UK I'm not sure if you're talking about real critics, or people on this board, but personally I'm not a fan of Whitney and Amy, so I don't comment on them, nor did I ever read up on their personal struggles, though I knew about it. The troubles those two faced were much more public than anything Mariah has ever done. Like many here, we raise these issues because we were there at the beginning and have witnessed the decline and, due to our love for her, it concerns us. I want Mariah to be around for many, many years. I want her to keep making great songs and being the soundtrack to my life. If anything ever happened to her I would be heartbroken and devastated. We all would. (Monday 24 August 2020; 12:30)

Re: Save The Day (95,146) (95,149) by Bill from the UK The worst things for your vocal chords are smoking, especially marijuana, and alcohol. We know Mariah indulges in both, the latter somewhat excessively. According to Morgan, the split from Tommy is what started those vices, and that was when her voice noticeably changed. The only time it seemed to sound better from the decline was during MCIIY. Presumably she stopped, or certainly reduced, those recreational drugs when she was expecting the twins. (Sunday 23 August 2020; 17:41)

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