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About Bill from the UK: I love Mariah more than you do. London Daydream Tour Attendee.

Re: Hip pop (92,696) (92,700) by Bill from the UK I said "not that it's a bad thing". (Sunday 2 February 2020; 15:09)

Re: Breakdown video (92,686) (92,691) by Bill from the UK Agree. All the videos from Butterfly were amazing. They were sexy indeed, but, especially for Breakdown and The Roof, there was an understated elegance to them. (Saturday 1 February 2020; 20:12)

Re: Hip pop (92,685) (92,690) by Bill from the UK That's debatable. Her sales have never been at the level they were since she fully incorporated hip hop into her sound. Not that it's a bad thing. (Saturday 1 February 2020; 20:09)

Re: Iconic photoshoots (92,668) (92,670) by Bill from the UK Nice topic. For me some iconic shots of MC I love are the microphone pic from the debut album, the Rainbow album cover, and the Merry Christmas album cover and associated pictures from the shoot. (Thursday 30 January 2020; 17:48)

Re: The Remixes re-imagined (92,641) (92,645) by Bill from the UK Nice one Will let me know what you think. (Tuesday 28 January 2020; 12:01)

Re: Hidden song - Love Take Time (92,639) (92,640) by Bill from the UK Well the list Terna gave was "pregap" songs, these are songs a really before the first track on albums (where you need to rewind the first track on the disc to hear it). Regular hidden tracks appear after a gap following the final song. Love Takes Time was straight after Prisoner, so it was always intended to be on the album, but early promotional copies of the album either didn't feature it or didn't list it on the tracklisting, yet contained it on the disc. And yes, according to The First Vision, Mariah wrote Love Takes Time for Emotions, but Tommy et al thought it was too good to wait, as he felt the album needed more ballads. (Tuesday 28 January 2020; 00:01)

The Remixes re-imagined (92,635) by Bill from the UK Continuing my revised tracklisting series, I can't stay quiet any longer about The Remixes and how this was such a botched opportunity. On the surface, it was a no-brainer. A collection of Mariah's most successful and notorious club and urban remixes on a two disc compilation. In fairness, the collection started off well, but it always seemed as if the compiler gave up mid-way through the track selection on the second disc, and opted for a bunch of album tracks to fill up the disc space. Breakdown, Sweetheart and Crybaby had no place on the compilation. The only concession I would make is to include the "Mo' Thugs Remix" of Breakdown instead. Technically, Loverboy (Remix) and Heartbreaker (Remix) are found on previously released albums (and Fantasy with ODB, if we're counting #1's), but Heartbreaker and Fantasy are iconic enough to warrant being included. Miss You and I Know What You Want also appeared on re-issues of Charmbracelet. There are some major omissions from the record. On disc one, I'd remove the boring paint-by-numbers Through the Rain remix and replace it with the Always Club Mix of Always Be My Baby. That was a huge oversight to not be included, and if it was due to its length, then they should have instead opted for the Def Classic Radio Version which cuts it in half. As for the second disc. Wow, where do I start? Let me address the lack of I Still Believe (Pure Imagination Remix). Seriously, how could that have happened? It is one of the jewels in Mariah's remix crown. Also, to entice and treat the die hards, the only exclusive we received was the (not that great) So So Def Remix of The One. Where was the Drifting Remix of Underneath the Stars? Those Brazilian club mixes of Do You Know Where You're Going To and the Butterfly meme remixes? I had everything on that album except the remix of The One when it released, so I felt a bit cheated. So, without further ado, here is Bill's re-imagining of The Remixes. Brace yourselves. 1. Dreamlover (Def Club Mix) - I wanted to open with Dreamlover as it was the one that started it all. 2. My All (Morales "My" Club Mix) 3. Heartbreaker (If You Should Ever Be Lonely Mix) 4. Butterfly (Meme's Extended Club Mix) - I replaced the Fly Away Club Mix with this rarity instead 5. Anytime You Need a Friend (C&C Club Mix) 6. Fantasy (Def Club Mix) 7. Honey (Classic Mix) 8. Always Be My Baby (Always Club Mix) 9. Emotions (12" Club Mix) 10. Joy to the World (Celebration Mix) - so Merry Christmas got represented, plus some of MC's best ad libs are in this version 11. Do You Know Where You're Going To (Mahogany Club Extended) - another rarity for the fans 1. Fantasy (Bad Boy with ODB) 2. Always Be My Baby (Mr. Dupri Mix) 3. My All/Stay Awhile (So So Def Remix) 4. Thank God I Found You (Make It Last Remix) 5. Breakdown (The Mo' Thugs Remix) *or* The Roof (Mobb Deep Extended Version) 6. Honey (So So Def Remix) 7. Dreamlover (Bam Jam Soul) - hard to find, but a brilliant remix. Appaz this was the original version. 8. Heartbreaker (Remix) 9. Underneath the Stars (Drifting Remix) 10. I Still Believe (Pure Imagination Remix) 11. Someday (12" Jackswing Mix) - want to show the poor debut some love, as it wasn't represented originally 12. Butterfly (Classic Bossa Nova) - beautiful rare remix 13. Anytime You Need a Friend (Soul Convention Remix) 14. One Sweet Day (Chucky's Remix) - I wanted to calm the compilation down and end with these two smooth soulful numbers. Let me know what remixes you would add. I feel bad for not including CTTA and TGTBAW. I had to draw the line somewhere. Morales remixes started losing their appeal post-Honey, and TGTBAW (and Make It Happen for that matter), were just the boring industry standard that Mariah soon rose above. (Monday 27 January 2020; 20:41)

Re: Mariah (92,627) (92,628) by Bill from the UK Hahaha love it. (Monday 27 January 2020; 11:42)

Re: Mariah (92,611) (92,622) by Bill from the UK I hear the co-writer is Walter Afanasieff. (Monday 27 January 2020; 08:01)

Re: Hidden song - Love Take Time (92,607) (92,613) by Bill from the UK Actually The Beatles pioneered hidden tracks back in the 60s. (Monday 27 January 2020; 00:24)

Daydream shuffled (92,612) by Bill from the UK I often play Mariah's albums in shuffle mode and see what track order is spat out. This re-ordering of Daydream I felt really worked. It was quite jarring to open the album with Looking In, but then she does open tours with the instrumental from time to time. It then blended quite nicely into Fantasy. Daydream Interlude appeared in the middle and really helped to break the album up and divide it into two parts. Underneath the Stars sounded great as what I would call the album's closer, because the actual end of I Am Free felt more like some brilliant epilogue. It was such a different experience to end the album on a positive note. Also my Daydream is 13 tracks because obviously I have Slipping Away in there. 1. Looking In 2. Fantasy 3. One Sweet Day 4. Open Arms 5. Slipping Away 6. Always Be My Baby 7. Daydream Interlude 8. Long Ago 9. Forever 10. Melt Away 11. When I Saw You 12. Underneath the Stars 13. I Am Free (Monday 27 January 2020; 00:17)

Re: Charmbracelet (92,583) (92,594) by Bill from the UK Lol, I love how even on your favourite album you hate every song on it. Classic Licia lol. (Saturday 25 January 2020; 11:45)

Re: The Marammys (92,574) (92,576) by Bill from the UK Single that wasn't but should've been: Migrate (Friday 24 January 2020; 14:58)

Charmbracelet (92,575) by Bill from the UK I've been thinking about this album a lot lately (waves to Licia), and what it would take for me to engage with it fully. Part of the problem I have with it is the length of the album and the hushed/whispering vocals. My revised tracklisting would be as follows: 1. Through the Rain 2. The One (without rap version) 3. I Know What You Want 4. Yours 5. I Only Wanted 6. Clown 7. My Saving Grace 8. Subtle Invitation 9. Bringin' On the Heartbreak (single version) 10. Sunflowers 11. Through the Rain (remix) I've axed a lot of the filler and I think its condensed length makes it a more cohesive body of work. I upgraded IKWYW to a proper track rather than a bonus one, and included the single versions for BOTH and The One. I might go turn this into a playlist now actually. (Friday 24 January 2020; 13:50)

Re: The Marammys (92,566) (92,570) by Bill from the UK Worthy additional categories Stacey (thumbs up): Club Remix: Dreamlover (Def Club Mix) R&B Remix: I Still Believe (Pure Imagination Remix) (Friday 24 January 2020; 07:53)

Re: The Marammys (92,547) (92,562) by Bill from the UK Love a list. Album (of the career): Butterfly even though it's not my fave Ballad: Till the End of Time Up-Tempo: Fantasy (original) Mid-Tempo: Always Be My Baby Cover: I'll Be There Rare: Slipping Away Lyrical: The Roof Christmas: All I Want For Christmas Is You Duet/Feature: Endless Love Live Performance: If It's Over (Saturday Night Live) (Thursday 23 January 2020; 13:06)

Re: Butterfly (92,540) (92,544) by Bill from the UK Haha, it's no different to my attempt at trying to understand how CB is your favourite album. Every time I listen to it or its stupid songs I think of you, so that's a good thing to come from it. I always go into my CB listens with the best will in the world, but by the 19th chorus of Lullaby I just give up and switch to Daydream lol. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 19:37)

Re: Butterfly (92,517) (92,530) by Bill from the UK To add, I never thought Honey was a great lead off single (other than the brilliant video). I wouldn't even class it as an up-tempo. It relies on the slow groove/sample so heavily it's virtually tuneless. Same goes for Babydoll. They're the weakest tracks on the album in my opinion, but everything else is a poetic, classy, and sincere effort. That run of Butterfly, My All, The Roof, Fourth of July and Breakdown has never been beaten. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 18:17)

Re: Roger (92,522) (92,529) by Bill from the UK Another re-write of Mariah's history. I'm just going to leave this here. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 14:24)

Re: Some dirt (92,510) (92,527) by Bill from the UK Those emails are absolutely pathetic. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 07:24)

Re: Butterfly (92,517) (92,526) by Bill from the UK I don't disagree with you. Butterfly is a beautiful album lyrically, very poetic. But it's not my favourite album either. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 07:23)

Re: Roger (92,508) (92,509) by Bill from the UK B, go listen to I Want To Thank You by Alicia Myers, then Make It Happen by Mariah. Mariah's written a lot of great songs in her time, but she's also had a number of (justified) out of court settlements as well. You do need at times to take a step back and see things for what they are. Remove those rose tinted glasses every once in a while. You're a good soul but sometimes your love for her is a bit blinded. (Monday 20 January 2020; 22:56)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,493) (92,496) by Bill from the UK Agree. Walter and Mariah's "falling out" was a contractual issue more than anything. She wanted him to take sides, he couldn't because Tommy was his boss, she didn't like that so stopped working with him. He's always spoken highly and respectfully of her talent. People pouncing on "emblazonedgate" need to get over it. All it indicated was that Walter needs to invest in a thesaurus. (Monday 20 January 2020; 12:12)

Re: Babyface (92,472) (92,495) by Bill from the UK Haha, he is most prominent on the bridge. Mariah coos "you and me" and he adds a backing "you and me" before she sings "in a cloud of reverie". (Monday 20 January 2020; 11:54)

Re: Mariah (92,457) (92,459) by Bill from the UK As I said, if you prefer the songs on Caution to those on, say, Butterfly, then great for you. You're a yes-yes bleating lamb so it's pointless debating anything with your kind, no offence. (Sunday 19 January 2020; 15:38)

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