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About Terna from Nigeria: Fan since 1998 - The "Butterfly" Era. However my Fave Era ever? will always be - The Emancipation of Mimi, if you're a true Lamb, you know.

Favorite ballads list while we wait (110,899) by Terna from Nigeria Honestly, my favorite ballads by Mariah change all the time, just like the seasons and whatever I'm going through in life in general. I find her music very therapeutic across all her very distinct eras. Currently I have been playing some much more than others that I used to play before, but certain ones have never really left my playlist at all, ever since they were released. In no particular order here's mine: 1. The Art of Letting go. 2. Vision of Love. 3. Mine Again. 4. Through the Rain. 5. Fly like a Bird. 6. One Sweet Day (Mariah only version). 7. Never too far. 8. Joy Ride. 9. Heavenly (No ways tired/Can't give up now) 10. Anytime you need a Friend. 11. Butterfly. 12. When You Believe duet With Whitney Houston. 13. Faded. 14. Underneath the Stars (live from Tokyo Japan '96) 15. My All. (Tuesday 2 September 2025; 22:15) this is a reply to message 110,834

Favorite ballads list while we wait (110,834) by Bobby A from United States I have 15 ballads on a SD card that I will listen to every day until Here For It All is released. Here is my list is: 1. I Don't Wanna Cry 2. Can't Let Go 3. Never Forget You 4. When I Saw 5. My All 6. Against All Odds 7. Never Too Far 8. Through The Rain 9. We Belong Together 10. Love Story 11. Inseparable 12. Camouflage 13. Portrait 14. There Goes My Heart Again 15. I Wish You Well (Sunday 31 August 2025; 02:04)

Superbowl Mariah (110,888) by Terna from Nigeria I know for a fact she can absolutely crush a superbowl performance. This is a woman that has hits for days (every single soul remembers and would love to sing along to), that can make a playlist hours of non stop bops, without repeating a song twice and she doesn't even need to sing the whole songs. And then there's the features with several artists that I know for a fact would honor her invitation. Don't underestimate her now? The Superbowl performance is for like maybe 15 minutes maximum, and Mariah has more than enough hits both past and present to cover that. Think of it for a second, all her massive hits and then suddenly, she announces "I just gotta bring Christmas back one more time". Haha. And then AIWFCIY closes with an absolutely explosive fest of cheer and confetti. (Monday 1 September 2025; 23:44)

Here For It All (110,830) by Terna from Nigeria I read somewhere today on twitter where someone was like a record executive he's close with has heard the entire album and described it as a hybrid of "Glitter, Charmbracelet and Caution". (Saturday 30 August 2025; 22:09)

#Beautiful video (110,784) by Terna from Nigeria Sorry, I beg to differ. #Beautiful video is perfect the way it is. It's not even that kinda song that requires a "story to be told", not every song is like that, nor requires a "deep" video. It's all about variety and matching the visuals with the vibe a lyrndics of the song. Now "Always be my baby" had a little story in there, but honestly I always thought it matched "Underneath the stars" lyrically. (Thursday 28 August 2025; 20:24) this is a reply to message 110,744

#Beautiful video (110,744) by jaker20 from US The video is bad and is low budget. They didn't even go in a proper location. It is the first Mariah lead single video that has no story and concept. All her lead single videos, apart from Loverboy, have some kind of story or good concept since Honey: Honey Heartbreaker Through the Rain It's Like That / WBT TMB Obsessed (Wednesday 27 August 2025; 20:43)

Video Vanguard (110,645) by Terna from Nigeria So suddenly, after shunning her videos all these years - 35 years to be exact, they finally wanna give Mariah a moon man? Yeah right. Next? (Saturday 23 August 2025; 00:29)

It’s tiiiime... to let the children know (110,644) by Terna from Nigeria I watched this analysis a while back too and I agree with most of his points of view, especially when he pointed out that Mariah's voice was at its most powerful and free at the "Music Box" era. That was spot on, her voice was front and center with such a wow factor to it, concerts from that era and vocals she did on the records through to early '94 were just jaw dropping, at what a voice was capable of. However, I also think that this was the period where she damaged her instrument. That tour from 1993 created problems that manifested in her modal voice and her ability to sing comfortably inside her range and transition smoothly. I think Oleta Adams or was it Gladys Knight? When interviewed once and asked about Mariah, advised that she sings way too much outside her range, singing with a constant lift since her voice wasn't a textbook soprano voice (this is true) so to speak and she might suffer damage down the line, if she didn't limit the use of her ability to sing so high (This was even before The Emancipation Of Mimi. I wonder what she thinks of that one. Haha.) (Saturday 23 August 2025; 00:24) this is a reply to message 110,598

It’s tiiiime... to let the children know (110,598) by Bobby A from United States This video explains thoroughly everything about MC's voice changes through out years. All of our points are validated in the video in some shape, form or fashion. MC has really been through a lot during her career. (Wednesday 20 August 2025; 10:45)

Here For It All snippet (110,568) by Terna from Nigeria Glad I could be of help, and yeah I agree Mariah songs are recognizable mainly from the chord progressions, melodies and her choice of harmonies even when she's not the one singing. (Monday 18 August 2025; 16:49) this is a reply to message 110,539

Here For It All snippet (110,539) by Bobby A from United States Thank you so much, Terna. I never would have thought chord progressions as being so complicated. I guess this is the reason why MC almost always has a humming part at the beginning of her songs like Always Be My Baby. I understand better now. Anyone can always say that a song is a Mariah Carey song because of her recognizable chord progressions. Plus, this is the reason why MC collaborated so well with piano composers like Ben Margulies, Walter A., Loris Holland, Big Jim Wright, and Marc Shaiman. (Sunday 17 August 2025; 11:32)

Here For It All snippet (110,531) by Terna from Nigeria To explain and actually make sense at a basic level I'll have to define some terms I'm going to be using to describe those phrases the AI came up with. 1. Chord - two or more notes played at the same time. 2. Progression - the act of moving from one chord to another rhythmically and in a certain pattern, repeatedly throughout a song or music piece. 3. Time signature - the number of beats per measure that influences the rhythmic movement of the song or music piece. 4. Tonic - root of a key or scale (the first note also known as the "doh") 5. "Key" and "scale" refer to the same thing and might be intertwined, but not really the same. "Scale" is a string of notes contained in a key of a song and its mode whether major or minor. "Key" is usually the name or tag for the set of notes a particular piece of music is written in. 6. Relative major and relative minor: every major key has a relative minor key and vice versa. This means that the same set of notes that make up the major scale also make up its relative minor scale too, but their starting points (tonics) are different. For instance C Major and A Minor are relative of each other they all contain only white keys, no black keys. 7. Accidentals - the black keys on the piano that indicate sharps or flats. From the clip we heard of "Here for It All" it seems to be a piano ballad, maybe a beat drops later on in the song, but so far the chord progressions (the piano's music movements) are in a traditional 4/4 time signature "1,2,3 4, 1,2,3,4" ("Mine Again", "The Art of Letting Go") rhythmically, but patterned differently. Paying close attention to the chords, there seems to be a borrowed chord in there, but I really cannot tell until I hear the whole song. A borrowed chord from a parallel key, means lifting a chord from this parallel scale (major or minor) to incorporate into a music piece in a related key, usually to create dissonance that isn't too jarring. This action is the "modal mixture" and that borrowed chord would not really fit in with the ones played before or after it depending on where it is placed, but will still be in tune because, it is a chord that shares notes with the original key except for one, two or three accidentals ("Vision of Love" comes to mind). For instance C Major's relative minor is A minor, but its parallel minor is C Minor because they share the same tonic (A minor doesn't start on note C but on note A) but C minor has 3 flats in it. Contemporary musicians and song writers use this trick to create intrigue or unpredictability to get the listener engaged, amongst a host of other emotions and not have their songs predictable, redundant or boring. As more and more songs keep getting written and released, it gets harder to standout or sound different. Here's a good example of a borrowed chord in the live skit she did on Jimmy Fallon from 2014. at the 2:44 minute mark when she starts singing "The Art of Letting Go", the line "I no longer live in your dominion", the word "Live" coincides with a disjointed or different chord whose introduction changed the feel, and lets the listener sense her demeanor to know there's an element of solemnness/seriousness to the song and it's going to be a song that touches on a serious topic. Hope this helped and was not too convoluted and technical. Haha. Music theory. (Saturday 16 August 2025; 23:55) this is a reply to message 110,526

Here For It All snippet (110,526) by Bobby A from United States Terna, can you help me understand chord progression? You said Here For It All is very Mariahesque in melody and chord progression. AI said MC's chord progressions have a modal mixture departing from the core chords of the song's key to borrow chords from parallel mode. What does all of that mean? Can you give me one MC ballad from each her albums that has a similar chord progression to help me understand? I listened to the snippet with headphones and it is not bad at all. It reminds of MC's vocals on Heavenly (Can't Give Up Now). I think multiple radio formats would play Here For It All because it's a piano ballad similar in the vein of Adele's Easy On Me. (Saturday 16 August 2025; 04:13)

Here For It All snippet (110,443) by Terna from Nigeria It's a ballad and final track in the vein of "Portrait" I guess. Very Mariahesque melody and chord progression, but I don't know about that vocal at all. (Tuesday 12 August 2025; 23:18)

Stop the nonsense (110,312) by Terna from Nigeria I just enjoy the fact that Mariah is healthy, happy and here for it all. While still inspired to make music and even go on tours and then there's the Christmas wave she rides evey year. I know you've seen those Mary J. Blige clips of late , seems like she's also over it too. Lol. Would rather be at home snuggled up watching Netflix. Haha. (Sunday 3 August 2025; 23:39) this is a reply to message 110,273

Stop the nonsense (110,273) by Dave from USA While at times, I agree that it does seem like the board can pile it on concerning Mariah, that's what the board is for to an extent. I don't feel like this is one of those times. There is a distinct different between the young girl in the (First Vision) VHS tape, singing her behind off to the heavens effortlessly and describing how she is so thrilled to see her song on Billboard at number 53, excited that it's even there versus who is standing there now, miming a song (badly), showing little to no effort/energy during the performance, and thinking the image is enough to offset whatever loss occurred with her amazing vocal gift. I don't think people would have any issue with the diva persona (if) she still had the vocal chops. As a fan, I'm torn between wanting her to continue to create music but not insulting my intelligence when it comes to not being able to even put on a decent baseline performance. There was a time when I was excited to see Mariah perform because I had no doubt she would knock it out of the park. Effortlessly. Now, sometimes I'm overly nervous to watch in real time for fear her miming is obvious or that her voice can't maneuver around the simplest of notes. I often read here first before I even watch it to see what I may encounter. Trust me, I get it. Back in 99/2000 I was looked at as one of the bad guys for pointing some things out about MC. I was mainly worried about the image more than the voice back then, and it took me years to admit that something has happened to her vocal gift. Literally years for me to accept what people were already starting to whisper back then. I want the best for MC. I'm sure all of us do. Like I mentioned before, she, like every other artist, is putting herself out there for the opinions/comments. We all aren't going to see eye to eye but we should at least respect each other's views or observations. (Thursday 31 July 2025; 23:31)

That time Mariah extended Whitney a sister diva helping hand (110,311) by Terna from Nigeria I heard this story, even back then. Glad Mariah looked out for Whitney and actually came through for her. I genuinely believe they became friends and stayed in touch even after "When You Believe" until Whitney's unfortunate demise. I have only truly been devastated by two celebrity deaths of stars whom I grew up with, and haven't been able to move on - Whitney Houston was the second, the first? Aaliyah. (Sunday 3 August 2025; 23:20) this is a reply to message 110,285

That time Mariah extended Whitney a sister diva helping hand (110,285) by John from USA A little change of pace from the goings on in this site these past few days. In 2008, Whitney Houston went to perform for the president of Kazakhstan. Apparently, because of her vocal condition and her reputation in the industry at the time as an unreliable performer, she was unable to secure background singers for the gig. Her management company was also unable to obtain insurance for potential background singers for the gig. When Mariah Carey heard about this, she immediately bring it into action and offered to send three of her very best female background up singers to help Whitney. Whitney did not even have to ask. Mariah not only sent the ladies an across the world to help Whitney but she foot the bill for their insurance, travel, stay and rate. She sent Melanie, Maryanne and Teka. And y'all know vocalist don't play about sharing their background singers, haha. I couldn't find the YouTube video that originally mentioned this, but here's the link of part of that Kazakhstan concert. (Friday 1 August 2025; 23:04)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,204) by Terna from Nigeria Exactly, and it makes sense, who stays the same even in just one year? That's why I responded to you. The intent behind one's messages here is always discernible whether good or bad even if disguised as "love" or "concern". (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 19:57) this is a reply to message 110,193

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,193) by Zachariah from Croatia And I just responded to a message where she was being slammed for not staying the same. I just realized; am I the OG that everyone is being mad at? (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 15:39)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,203) by Terna from Nigeria Yes, Whitney Houston faced the same backlash and she's fully black. But neither one of those big stars you mentioned are biracial, Now for someone mixed such as Carey, she's biracial and always going to be somewhere in the middle (you've listened to "Outside" a thousand times, those lyrics are very real to her and her struggle) it was very important to cater to two sides and this is when she started having creative differences with the label and executives in charge. Yes music is supposed to be universal but there also is a reason why there are sub Billboard chart categories specific to genre - pop, R&B/HipHop, country, electronic etc. With the Hot 100 being open to every genre. Comments like "She's a white girl trying to sing black" did damage and did not help. On Butterfly there's a balance between both worlds so to speak, I recall in the interviews on number ones the video presentation, she made a statement that went something like "I still gave those people that wanted to hear the ballads, the ballads, but it's also really important that I incorporate more of my true influences into my music." Enough said. Yes, Whitney Houston faced the same backlash and she's fully black. But neither one of those big stars you mentioned are biracial, Now for someone mixed such as Carey, she's biracial and always going to be somewhere in the middle (you've listened to "Outside" a thousand times, those lyrics are very real to her and her struggle) it was very important to cater to two sides and this is when she started having creative differences with the label and executives in charge. Yes music is supposed to be universal but there also is a reason why there are sub Billboard chart categories specific to genre - pop, R&B/HipHop, country, electronic etc. With the Hot 100 being open to every genre. Comments like "She's a white girl trying to sing black" did damage and did not help. On Butterfly there's a balance between both worlds so to speak, I recall in the interviews on number ones the video presentation, she made a statement that went something like "I still gave those people that wanted to hear the ballads, the ballads, but it's also really important that I incorporate more of my true influences into my music." Enough said. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 19:49) this is a reply to message 110,189

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,189) by Bobby A from United States It wasn't just Tommy making his star singer sing more pop songs. Clive did it to Whitney as well. Whitney actually said to Clive that she wanted her 3rd album to be an R&B album. She heard the rumblings from the African-American community that she was catering too much to the pop audience and that bothered Whitney a lot. So, that is the reason why I'm Your Baby Tonight was a R&B album and subsequent albums after too. In both Clive's and Tommy's mind back then, if Whitney and Mariah sang pop songs both would reach a broader audience and maximize their album and single sales. It doesn't happen like that in today's music industry because great singers like Whitney and Mariah are non-existent today. You can sing anything, sing badly and still get a recording contract today. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 14:12)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,178) by Terna from Nigeria Getting uncomfortable I see. Lol. I wasn't the one who insinuated or brought it up, I just responded to his message and acknowledged he got that part, he's black too as he stated and gets it. "Butterfly" never did the numbers "Music Box" and "Daydream" did for that one fact. It is an R&B/HipHop album. Facts. But look at how highly rated that album is in contemporary music today. It is also her "Magnum Opus", she achieved her best work, being her authentic true self. I haven't "crowned" myself poison or anything negative here, as you put it, I'm not the one spitting vitriol out at Mariah here masked as "OG Love", from the OG Coven. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:47) this is a reply to message 110,170

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,170) by Jamie from UK Can we just stick to the facts and not make this about some race war please. If you're talking music styles then yes I love urban/R&B Mariah but I wasn't talking about that. You've taken what we have been saying into your own context and twisted it into black vs white. Again shame on you. I think you've just crowned yourself the "poison" on this forum. We all love Mariah in our own way, respect people's opinions and stop being rude to people. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 11:03)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,161) by Terna from Nigeria Just one question, Stacey, dear. Was that 2006 Grammy performance live or lipsynched as you claimed it was? (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 06:11) this is a reply to message 110,123

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,123) by Stacey from USA I should feel ashamed, but I don't. I think us silly and dumb OG fans only want the best for MC. Two more dollars in my pocket. (Monday 28 July 2025; 07:45)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,159) by Terna from Nigeria You get it, and I'm glad you addressed it from this angle, I just didn't want to get into it. Part of the main problem "OG's" have is Mariah's leaning towards black music and succeeding at it too - R&B/Hiphop specifically. That's why they will always have a problem with this "New Mariah", so to speak, because that Tommy version was molded to cater to a white audience. Let's call it as it is. However, that's not the real her, never really was to begin with - check "Vision of Love", that's a singer who's main and only influence is black music, gospel, R&B and hip-hop (check the debut album, isn't she rapping on "Prisoner"). What's mind boggling about these OG fans is that new Mariah (true Mariah) has now been out so to speak, much longer (all caps) than hairbangs Mariah (Music Box and Daydream) and she has pretty much remained the same since, yet they're still hooked on the curated Tommy's vision of her and think that somehow, someday she's gonna go back to pop and that image. Smh. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 05:12) this is a reply to message 110,131

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,131) by Matthew from USA Every time someone on here proclaims themselves an OG, I have to take a deep breath and proceed with caution. Mariah has stated multiple times how controlled and unhappy she was in the first several years of her career. She threw herself into her work and convinced herself this was the price she had to pay for success. Other friends like Brat even wondered "How do you live like this?" It's a little weird to see all the OG's being nostalgic for this era. The OG's say she was a proper lady in this era - classy, dignified, pristine, graceful, and her true authentic self. They mourn her current state, which one is left to assume is the opposite of all those adjectives. I'm not here to invalidate anyone's opinion, but I can provide another perspective that Terna expressed - we both happen to be black. In our culture Mariah is viewed as bougie and fancy. Initially we were like "Who is this white girl singing down like that? Okay Mariah, Get down with your bad self. Do your thing, girl." I don't think one culture's perspective is more important than another's, but I think we should remember to try and view the whole. I do think Mariah would be disheartened that who she is now is causing so much sadness and heartache to the OG's. But I don't think she would go back (and no shade, but I heard the Walter song and I agree with her). I think she would sadly hand y'all the Art of Letting Go record. Go to Mimi on your contacts. Press delete. End your suffering. If it's any consolation, the OG's can always treasure the memory of Tommy controlled Mariah, when she was being her true authentic self. (Monday 28 July 2025; 13:59)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,156) by Terna from Nigeria That wasn't a curse word - I don't have to curse to get my point across, that's Eric and his weird ever changing rules here. Oh well, I stand by everything I said originally. I love Mariah and all her versions, flaws and all, unapologetically too. We all have changed too, she's just the only one who's gotten her evolution, captured over a timeline and well documented being a superstar in the spotlight. (Tuesday 29 July 2025; 04:51) this is a reply to message 110,126

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,126) by Jamie from UK Aww this is a message board where people can voice their opinions. There was no negativity from any of my posts, we're not complaining as we are still supporting her by buying her music, as I said I like both TD and SS. I simply stating she is changed and how I personally would have liked her career to play out for the better, it doesn't mean I won't support her whatever she does or call her out for something I don't like. That is a true fan to me... being honest. You're the one calling people "silly fans" and "poison" and having a word censored. That isn't a nice trait. You're the one that should be ashamed of yourself, not us. (Monday 28 July 2025; 11:03)

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,113) by Terna from Nigeria Someone needed to say it, thank you for this post. I too ain't the same person from when I started out being a fan in my teenage years, somehow they expect Mariah to remain the same. However, everything she is today, she's accomplished 35+ years in this music industry that we all know chews them up and spits them out (need I call names?) is because she's grounded in Christ first of all, and she follows her heart, that's still the same Mariah Carey I see today, it hasn't ever changed. And honestly that's what has preserved her charm, kept her relevant and intriguing 35 years later - she still has her light and gift in tact. Mariah if I'm not mistaken is the only artist who debuted in 1990 still on the charts today. What won't Whitney Houston fans give just to have one more era and album (shot vocals and all), tour from her. Something that will never happen, ever again. You silly fans here complain about the dumbest stuff, all the time. I thought Andrew was the poison here, but even as he's long gone, some new [censored] here have risen up to take his place. You should be quite ashamed of yourselves. (Monday 28 July 2025; 00:19) this is a reply to message 110,101

The evolution of Mariah Carey (110,101) by Zachariah from Croatia Hm, let's put it down like this; go back 30 years (this is for lambs who are following Mariah from day one) and try to remember yourself back then. Done? Ok. Now see yourself today. Somehow I doubt that you all are the same person. Because I am not. I was gullible, shy, very introverted, afraid to say something and just followed others. Today, I am unrecognizable. She is still a nice person and our Mariah - who gets her, gets her. Who doesn't, doesn't. (Sunday 27 July 2025; 00:19)

Bop queen - Mariah Carey (110,111) by Terna from Nigeria At this rate I know for a fact, that this Sugar Sweet bop is gonna absolutely be my most played song this year, when the Spotify stats roll in. Haha. (Sunday 27 July 2025; 19:19)

Sugar Sweet (110,031) by Terna from Nigeria Total bop. I played it once only so far and it's stuck in my head already, been humming it for a while now. Did you guys get that "Sugar Spice & Everything Nice" line? Haha. Someone mentioned that a few days back here and lo and behold its in the song. Lol. With two tracks revealed so far from the upcoming album, I can already see this is going to be a very different sound from Mariah Carey, so far I love both records. Side note: I was looking forward to hear that run from IG short somewhere in the song "do oo oo ooo", that's an important hook Mariah. (Friday 25 July 2025; 08:42)

Here For It All (109,882) by Terna from Nigeria Stunning [album artwork], Mariah Carey is a [beautiful woman]. And I love the album title. Simple, yet intriguing. What is she up to now? Lol. I love her. (Monday 21 July 2025; 17:35)

The new finished snippet (109,856) by Terna from Nigeria I've heard that several times, nothing gets past me. This was actually a "wait a minute, that's Afrobeats" kinda moment, I didn't get it right away too. Haha. The song is such an earworm already, just this barely 10 seconds clip, even right from the acapella moment she did earlier on. Wow. (Sunday 20 July 2025; 22:26) this is a reply to message 109,851

The new finished snippet (109,851) by Bobby A from United States Terna, you have a very keen ear. After several listens, I can hear the influence of afrobeats now. (Sunday 20 July 2025; 21:07)

The new finished snippet (109,832) by Terna from Nigeria Mariah on some Carribean Afro beats vibes? Oh wow she just posted it on IG. (Saturday 19 July 2025; 20:43)

Webmaster request (109,831) by Terna from Nigeria You don't have to go Brad, you're actually one of the sane people here who don't spit vitriol &and claim it's all from a place of love, yeah right. I look forward to your posts and hope you continue to post, even though some here might not agree with your opinions, which is exactly also what every other person's views and posts really are - just opinions. (Saturday 19 July 2025; 20:33) this is a reply to message 109,814

Webmaster request (109,814) by Brad from USA Hi. Please delete my account, profile and postings as I do not wish to have any association with this site any longer. Thank you. (Friday 18 July 2025; 20:53)

I wish (109,830) by Terna from Nigeria You don't even go to this school. (Saturday 19 July 2025; 20:29) this is a reply to message 109,809

I wish (109,809) by Dove from United States I wish we could all get along like we used to in middle school. I wish that I could bake a cake made out of rainbows and smiles and we'd all eat and be happy. (Friday 18 July 2025; 16:47)

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