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E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,602) by Lee TS from USA I agree with a lot of folks saying E=MC2 is like a collection of potential hit singles and a summery party record. Whereas Memoirs is a collection of her obscure songs. Although I do like songs like Candy Bling and H.A.T.E.U. I don't think there was a hit on there. I still can't get over the cover art of Memoirs it's probably her worse to date. I don't know, there's something very subdue about Memoirs where it kind of puts you to sleep. E=MC2 could have so carried on the fun and celebratory victorious vibes of being Mimi, it was off to such a great start too. I think my favorite tune off the record would probably have to be For The Record, I love when she gets super girly and create these very feminine and pretty songs. I wish Love Story had a real shot and I'm still not into I Stay In Love - it sounded very Beyonce to me. (Friday 11 September 2015; 16:30)

Make It Happen (56,601) by Luke from United Kingdom This performance is everything. That belting. Mariah was snatching weaves that night. Many fans went home bald that night. (Friday 11 September 2015; 16:26)

E=MC's Cup? (56,600) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End The tabloid press is obviously being instructed to spread as many false stories about Mariah's boobs, and body over all, as possible because THTB can't stand how well she is doing or how good she looks doing it. The desperation is delicious and I just love how M is completely unbothered. Come on Donna. She's the shit and she knows it. And if you didn't know, I just told you. (Friday 11 September 2015; 15:28)

Re: Charmbracelet vs Memoirs (56,596) (56,598) by B from USA Memoirs was Mariah chasing trends (working with The Dream). Charmbracelet is a lyrical masterpiece. TEOM is similar to Charmbracelet, the only difference is Mariah sang on TEOM and whispered and whistled on Charmbracelet. (Friday 11 September 2015; 15:08)

Re: Mariah's next video (56,588) (56,597) by B from USA I want videos like Honey, My All, The Roof, Heartbreaker, It's Like That, and We Belong Together. I liked #Beautiful but it could have been better and You're Mine (Eternal) had potential but it was wasted. I still love the location and the underwater in a gown shots from the video. If You're Mine (Eternal) had had a storyline with Trey playing her love interest with a Little Mermaid theme the song would have preformed better. (Friday 11 September 2015; 15:00)

Charmbracelet vs Memoirs (56,596) by ADAM from USA These two albums would be a better point of comparison. I rank CB as my least favorite album primarily because of the way she sings throughout the record. Not a fan of her whistle tone and felt it was a snooze-fest. The only highlights were "Subtle Invitation" (beautiful lyrics and belting) and "Bringing On the Heartbreak" (love she went rock and owned it, I wish she did more). I felt if sang this record in her full voice it would have been more successful because the recipe was a quintessential MC album. Both albums were sleeper records that didn't perform well and looking back had gems, introspective records, and records that should have been left off altogether ("Boy"). In closing, even though it had less variety of styles to choose from and few producers, "Memoirs" is a riskier album to put out and shows she really didn't care about the status quo and made the RnB album she's always wanted. It was very R. Kelly-esque to release a full on concept record from beginning to end while adding a confessional song ("Languishing") and cover song (IWKWLI) to make the album still commercial enough to appeal to existing MC fans. (Friday 11 September 2015; 14:30)

Mommy Mariah (56,595) by Lee TS from USA If there was ever a time to use the word "festive" it would have to be the moments of Mariah as a mommy to Dembabies. She's got to be the most fun mom to be treating the little ones to all these fun filled adventures. I wouldn't be surprised if it was her goal to take them to every Disneyland in all the land. I'm actually ok with her not releasing new music anytime soon but to just enjoy her life. All I need are cute pictures of her luxuriating. But knowing M, I'm sure she's working on many things for the lambs. (Friday 11 September 2015; 14:14)

E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,594) by ADAM from USA This is a great topic for debate. Although I agree E=MC2 had more radio friendly songs that weren't given the light of day, I still felt it lacked the integrity a MC album usually has for me. I guess I became used to having her obscure introspective songs that balanced out the "single" worthy records. Even though "I Wish You Well" falls into that category I still don't like the structure and confessional-church like quality to it. On the other hand, Memoirs while it does feel like one long big song that is monotonous, I really like. I think that record was the biggest risk she took. She really set out to make a concept record with a limited number of producers and I applaud that. It's really one complete arch and I like that. I love the smart clever lyrics and wide use of her lower register. I still get goosebumps whenever I play "IWKWLI" - it makes me nostalgic for the original song and love her interpretation that reminds me of "Anytime You Need A Friend". In closing, E=MC2 feels too generic and uninspired with a cohesive theme vs Memoirs which felt like a concept record with her usual confessional lyrics about her inner life peppered throughout each song. Great topic. (Friday 11 September 2015; 14:13)

Re: One more thing... (56,589) (56,593) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Mariah Carey loves her lambs and will not go away. That was my point. "Oh honey you can have me when you want me, if you simply ask me to be there. And you're the only one who makes me come running, 'cause what you got is far beyond compare." Mariah we lambs love your honey baby, so drown us, hit us on the head, and give us that sweet honey baby. Festive moments, dahlings. Just for the nolstalgia. (Friday 11 September 2015; 14:01)

Re: E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,565) (56,592) by Mirage_Nunez from America I'm one of the lambs that truly feels she has no bad albums, some I just connect with more than others. So in the case of E=MC2 and Memoirs, I can honestly say I choose Memoirs because I feel more of a connection. Now when I revisit E=MC2, it definitely still jams and I get my life, but at the same time it seemed like MC was more focus on making an album full of hits and not really pouring her soul into the songs as much as she's done before. It reminds me of the same difference for some between Rainbow and Butterfly, both great albums just different vibes. (Friday 11 September 2015; 12:42)

Re: E=MC2 vs Memoirs (56,580) (56,591) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Jono, I do agree that creatively, E=MC2 was a risk, but to me, only to Mariah's standards. If you listen to it as a whole, you would notice that most of it was exactly what R&B/pop radio sounded like in 2007-2009. Despite flirting with hip-hop countless times and occasionally dabbling in other genres, Mariah has always been considered "uptight" sound-wise. That's what sets E=MC2 apart from her other albums, because it was her basically saying, "Why not?" to following the latest trends - something she has always been iffy about. You're right, the best thing about it is probably the confidence that emanates from every song (obviously a result of her career rejuvenation following TEOM). That confidence is beautiful and makes each track that much more engaging. (Friday 11 September 2015; 12:34)

E=MC2 vs. MOAIA (56,590) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Both have something over the other. MOAIA is more cohesive at the risk of sounding all same-y, so that's probably its biggest flaw. But some of the tracks rank among Mariah's best either lyrically (Betcha Gon' Know, It's A Wrap, Angels Cry, H.A.T.E.U.), stylistically (Ribbon), and attitude-wise (Up Out My Face). It's a breakup album that is up there with Charmbracelet in terms of commercial viability. E=MC2 is the blockbuster that wasn't given a chance to take off. It's her most feel-good, party-ready, trend-chasing set that was deliberately made for radio. Every track was a potential single, you could almost hear the calculation in every element. Whether it reached its potential success or not, it would still have had zero fighting chance at the Grammies, if it even were nominated at all. The varied, genre-hopping uptempos and midtempos make up for the ballads that are rendered almost interchangeable no thanks to JDs production (not that they're bad, just indistinct). My vote goes to E=MC2 for overall entertainment value. 7 years since its release and I'm still mad at how it has ended up to be a colossal wasted opportunity. It may probably not have gotten Mariah critical acclaim, but it could at least have won her more younger fans that would've helped with her latter releases. (Friday 11 September 2015; 12:10)

One more thing... (56,589) by Stacey from USA Celine Dion is at the peak of her success in 2000, she takes a break. Comes back two years later with a new album and Vegas show, a risk at the time for Celine and Caesars Palace. She sold out every show. Fast forward years later she takes another break. Look how she was welcomed back: with open arms (no pun intended). If anything, Celine has showed more staying power by taking breaks and showing she is still relevant in many minds by all the support she gets when she does returns to the stage. I don't think consistency is the key here or at least doesn't apply to Celine Dion. She is still very much a successful and sought after artist. If she wasn't, Caesars would not have welcomed her back. By the way, her Vegas shows aren't solely relying on her back catalog. Her shows contain covers of a lot of songs. By the way, isn't that what MC does too? Sing her past hits? Peace. (Friday 11 September 2015; 10:58)

Mariah's next video (56,588) by Giovanni from USA I hope for Mariah's next video we'll get some type of storyline. "Infinity" was cute, but I want something mature and exciting. Like "We belong together". That video is perfect. (Friday 11 September 2015; 10:21)

Mariah as mommy (56,587) by Manny from U.S. I get happy when see Mariah with "dem babies". Mariah is such a good mom. You know Roc and Roe are her life. She took them to Disneyland today. For Labor Day weekend, I saw a pic of her on the swing ride with them. As much as I want new music, there's a different type of joy when I see her be a mom. She is giving and receiving real love. Sometimes this celebrity and fame thing, seems fickle. Mariah enjoy those bundles of joy (Friday 11 September 2015; 6:56)

Re: E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,572) (56,586) by B from USA Side Effects featuring Young Jeezy (or is it Jezzy now?) is one of Mariah's best songs. I think it's as good as Breakdown, The Roof, Fourth Of July, Underneath The Stars, One Sweet Day, We Belong Together, and Don't Forget About Us, Vanishing, and Slipping Away. Mariah can write a mature R&B song with a Pop venner like she did during the writing and producing of Daydream, Butterfly, TEOM, and MIAM. Unlike the other albums MIAM requires repeated listens to fully understand its brilliance and has to be heard as a whole cohesive body of work. #Beautiful is the only obvious single. (Friday 11 September 2015; 6:19)

Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF: thank you (56,585) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Thank you Deedre. I completely agree that the listener-experience is 150% subjective. I hate when people say "this song/album is better then this song/album" in a definitive way without a reason beyond "I like this one better". It's so subjective and based on what you're looking for from Mariah's music. To Andrew's point about E=MC2 being better then TEOM, I don't know how you can pit the two against each other. E=MC2 is one of the best summer albums ever (so in this context, yes it's a great album), TEOM is one of the best classic-R&B albums ever. They are for different occasions and different moments. I don't appreciate how some posters on this board state their faves as the ultimate and unarguable and all the others with their opinions be cray. Subjectivity and objectivity are key, and personal. (Friday 11 September 2015; 5:32)

Re: Celine Dion is not passed her prime, Andrew (56,578) (56,584) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Mariah Carey is by far the youngest out of the big 3 and it irks me when fans say she needs to take more breaks. That's all she does now is take breaks all year. There is no consistency anymore. I am not including expanding her endorsement brand. All I am saying is Mariah has not been consistent with anything since 2008. I understand she got married, had kids, Vegas, American idol, Jenny Craig, 4 top 5 albums (E=MC2, MOAIA, MCIIY, and MIAMTEC), 3 platinum singles, decorated Christmas queen #1 on the charts every Christmas year since 2010, 4 perfume launches, angel champagne line, Walgreen drinks, clothing line, and touring more. The big asterisk to all these things is the consistency. The consistency cant come back by taking a 4 year break. That was my point. The older you get the less opportunities come your way in any profession. No comparisons. This moment in her life where there are zero distractions is what she needs to capitalize on by being more consistent. It is not about age with her, never has been. Its her career at this point. By career, I mean how the GP views her. (Friday 11 September 2015; 4:58)

It's hard to explain (56,583) by QueenLambassador from Portugal People around here tend to take everything to the wrong side, it's hard to have an opinion out here. it looks like some control the panel. I've got the ultimate respect for everyone, even if I don't agree but some things just make me wanna cry - alot. Some people in the fanbase turned the rest of us into laughing matter around the block because you people don't own your status as fans. Mariah deserves better. You expect and demand the impossible, you put flaws int everything, you criticize the smallest of smallest thing and still act like you're right. In the last few years Mariah's done so many positive and different things and it's rather tyring to see everyone complain all the time. Can't we just have a break here? (Friday 11 September 2015; 3:08)

Re: Message board debacle (56,536) (56,582) by QueenLambassador from Portugal I saw it. Nicely done. Now how do you go from that to weight issues? (Friday 11 September 2015; 3:02)

Re: Message board debacle (56,532) (56,581) by QueenLambassador from Portugal I never said B was or is a shallow fan, I'm just stating that it's shallow to discuss anyone's phisical condition, weight or things of that nature. (Friday 11 September 2015; 3:02)

E=MC2 vs Memoirs (56,580) by Jono from USA Very different albums, but to me E=MC2 wins hands down because this is MC at her most confident. After TEOM, she was on top and went in the studio taking chances. Migrate is an absolute banger and one of her best uptempo records. I'm That Chick is also a fun groove. Touch My Body is playful and only Mariah could deliver that kind of song. Side Effects is haunting. Hell she even went for a little Jamaican accent in Cruise Control. The first time I heard that I was floored at how ridiculous and amazing it was. The first six songs of the album are completely different from one another, which is incredible. Not to mention Mariah had an absolutely slamming body during the promotion. Now I like Mariah a bit curvier, but she still looked great and she was dressing so hip and cool with her leather jackets and jeans. E-MC2 was really like the desert, a fun after party to TEOM. Memoirs on the other hand is a lot more mature, and does a 180 in terms of sound. It's something you'd listen to on a rainy early evening. Some parts of the production are genius, as they really compliment her signature vocals and melodies. To me, Betcha Gon Know, Angels (Interlude) and Angels Cry, and Languishing are the standouts. But the rest are just solid, if unspectacular. If E=MC2 was all about risk, Memoirs was about playing it safe. (Friday 11 September 2015; 2:25)

Re: E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,577) (56,579) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada That's the thing though, the listener experience is subjective based on our perceptions, so using Andrew's post as an example, he said he feels E=MC2 is better than TEOM, then for him it is. Period. How can we tell someone they're wrong for how they perceive something? Sure we can express different views on the matter, but it doesn't make one right and the other wrong. Some of my fave MC albums are Butterfly, debut, Memoirs, Daydream, MIAM, E=MC2 and TEOM and we could debate over who thinks what is better for the next decade, and posters on the board would still have differing views on the same albums. (Friday 11 September 2015; 0:43)

Celine Dion is not passed her prime, Andrew (56,578) by Stacey from USA Taking Chances (2007) has sold over 3.1 million copies worldwide since its release. Loved Me Back To Life (2003) has sold over 1.3 million copies (as of December 2013). Both albums were released with little to no promotion. Add to the fact she has had a spectacular run in Vegas since she started that in 2003. Celine Dion is as relevant today as Mariah. When she announced she was coming back to Vegas, it was all over the press. Anyways, I'm not writing this to start a back and forth MC vs. Celine. I love them both as amazing singers. Both are relevant. Both are in their prime not passed it. Andrew, I love your frankness. The honesty in your posts is quite refreshing. I enjoy reading them. However, my friend E=MC2 is not better than TEOM, lol. Though I do love IBYULT. That song had me at first listen. (Thursday 10 September 2015; 23:26)

Re: E=MC2 vs. Memoirs (56,576) (56,577) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I love them both and I can't put the albums against each other. I just can't. To me they are both incredible albums. To me, they're both summer records full of creativity, fun, humor and lyrical genius. If I absolutely had to choose it would be Memoirs it is such an underrated beautiful album that sound fresh every listen. To hear the elevator music analogy is funny to me. But then music is a subjective experience. Love both. Cruise Control is my jam. Lol. (Thursday 10 September 2015; 22:16)

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