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Re: MIAM (63,635) (63,639) by B from USA From MIAM it's clear Nick cheated and was never there. She even changed the lyrics of Billie Holliday's classic to "I know you cheated, [censored]". (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 2:13)

Re: Father's Day photos (63,620) (63,638) by Licia from USA The song really didn't take any shots at Mariah. He has a right to talk about his frustrations about not seeing his children as much as he wants just like she was allowed to create a whole song about him. That was okay because it's Mariah. From these pics all I see is Nick trying to tell TMZ they can get along for the sake of the children. At this point that's all that matters. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 1:47)

Re: Out on a limb (63,630) (63,633) (63,637) by Haiji Toro from USA Lol it's all good RibbonB. I assumed either you wrote that in the dark with very little light or in a rush, or even could've been drunk haha. Overall, I understood what you meant. I do love that song by James Bay. Although it is very soon, it's not like she hasn't remade or sampled a song right after release ("Boy" from Charmbracelet sampled Dipset's "Oh Boy" very heavily). I'd love a collaboration between the two. She seems to rather work with male musicians more. I'm curious to know if you have heard "Out on a Limb" yet. I'm sure you'll like it if you enjoy 80's R&B/Soul. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 1:15)

Re: Sex with no context (63,631) (63,636) by Marissa from USA I agree. I can find countless photos of MC during the Mottola marriage showing cleavage and leg despite the fact that she makes it sound like she was forced to dress like a pilgrim for the first 6 years of her career. Sometimes you have a few intensely negative experiences and it clouds your mind to the facts of what actually happened, and I think that's what happened to her in the whole "wardrobe oppression" narrative. Mariah has always been sexy and it always felt natural to me until she got with Nick. Then her sexiness started to feel like it was coming from a place of having something to prove (proving that she was young and hot enough to keep up with Nick despite the age difference). I truly don't believe that Mariah feels like she is enough simply being. The boobs, lighting, angles and overt sexiness is now the source of her self-esteem rather than it being because she's a child of God. That's why the pettiest imperfections are a source of crisis for her. If she truly had healthy self-esteem, the occasional bad picture or not-so-flattering angle would be like water off a duck's back. It's sad (and mildly infuriating) to me that rather than going to war with her insecurities via therapy or whatever method she saw fit, she gave in and let them hijack her life and is dealing with the same level of baggage now that she was in 1990. Other people can't even function normally around her because they need to accomodate her 100 idiosyncrasies to even have a conversation or take a photo. It's painful to watch and I don't believe she'll even correct these things, especially with the shallow traveling circus being her new group of peers. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 1:08)

MIAM (63,635) by RibbonB from USA Except Mariah wrote a whole CD about the break up and Infinity about moving on. People blame Nick but the funny thing is she released the CD and the break down of their marriage really sped up. It's funny how people ignore faded to the art of letting go and act like she hasn't said anything. Mariah seems to be running this stunt anyway. Just as another perspective he may be doing her bidding, like he says in his song he will play the bad guy and not tell the real story. There is more than meets the eye. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 0:30)

Re: Out on a limb (63,630) (63,633) by RibbonB from USA Wow sorry for all the typos on my last post. Yikes. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 0:21)

Underrated uptempos (63,632) by George Golden from UK Prisoner To be around you I've been thinking about you Long ago The roof X girlfriend U got me Make it last all night That chick OOC Migrate More than just friends Meteorite Money YDKWTD This songs, though underrated, give me life. (Tuesday 21 June 2016; 0:06)

Re: Sex with no context (63,619) (63,631) by Warrior Butterfly from USA I have to agree with you and expand on it bare with me. When she was going through her liberation in the mid-late 90's her choosen image may have been surprising to people but it made sense given her age. Even if the audience watching knew nothing about her, she was in her 20's having fun, normal. I get they "made her button up" in the early phases of her career, so she "rebelled". However the seeds of a conservative look was a smart business move for Mariah's career longevity going beyond three albums, had MT allowed her to dress in a provocative style of the time she would have been forgotten quickly. Although I have to wonder how controlled she really was some of those dresses from back then were pretty tight. Looking at Mariah Carey without knowing anything about her image just viewing her album covers, even her debut promo shots are very figure hugging. Emotions cover shot tight dress, Merry Christmas cover the sexy Mrs. Clause look wish she had gone with the alternate look in her promo material such as this. The Daydream cover was the most covered just a peek at her stomach. Butterfly tube top and Capri pants sexy but not over the top. #1's tight halter top dress, Rainbow essentially tank top and underwear not what I essentially think an MC album cover should be, she is not Madonna or Janet. It's just not her look as a person. After her breakdown in 2001 she had to clean up otherwise the public and the business industry would have not taken her seriously it was damage control. Now that she fixed her hiccup with Glitter she feels she can do whatever she wants. She struck a good balance during her 30's the Charmbracelet era 2002, over all look flirty but sensible though she did strong hints at her chest, TEOM 2005 sexualized with videos, however another balance was her look from the 2006 Grammy's figure flattering and elegant. In 2008 with E=MC2 when she closed out the early 2000's sex was there all the way nothing but boa on her cover even the back cover hint of bare breast, she says she doesn't realize she's being flirtatious I strongly doubt it. She feels the pressure to compete with each the new crop of singers that are not her. Even what made her synonymous with the term whistle register is being challenged via Ariana Grande and Christina Aguilera. (Monday 20 June 2016; 23:28)

Re: Out on a limb (63,621) (63,630) by RibbonB from USA Thanks Antonio. I font recall out on a limb, I will have yo YouTube that one. The current dong I lobe which Mariah would be goof at is let it go by James Bay. That song is do tender and instantly timeless. Too soon for her or anyone to cover it, but if she could co write dome songs with James Bay that might be great. (Monday 20 June 2016; 22:45)

Article: 17 Times Mariah Carey was an absolute diva (63,629) by Martyn from England, UK What on Earth did I just read? (Monday 20 June 2016; 22:44)

17 Times Mariah Carey was an absolute diva (63,628) by B from USA Some of these are lies and rumors. Others are being taken out of context. (Monday 20 June 2016; 22:33)

Re: Father's Day photos (63,622) (63,627) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I guess you are right. Regardless, I am glad to see them together. It looks like Mariah and Nick really are making an effort to be great co-parents. Mariah probably doesn't want the kids to miss out on having their dad around the way she did. It's sweet to see them all genuinely happy when they are together. (Monday 20 June 2016; 20:45)

Nick you sign them papers yet? (63,626) by Special K from USA You know Nick really gets on my damn nerves sometimes. I wish he would shut the hell up. He was the one that filed for divorce and couldn't wait to let the whole world know that he and Mariah weren't living together. Now he is freaking whinning because TMZ has basically put him on blast for holding up the divorce. If he won't sign because of custody issues (which I don't believe) then he need to damn say so. He quick to jump on twitter and comment on everything else. My personal opinion is that he is shocked beyond belief that Mariah moved on so quickly. He always talking about how he and Mariah are so damn happy. Yeah okay Nick. Divorce is not Disneyland and I have yet to hear Mariah say that things are peaches and cream between those two. Great to see Mariah consistently take the high road and not comment about that situation. Her silence speaks volumes to me. (Monday 20 June 2016; 20:26)

Re: Sex with no context (63,619) (63,625) by George Golden from UK You are so right. She is a beautiful and sexy woman. Singing Hero in a sequined bikini is a bit of a stretch. She doesn't sell sex that well though. I have noticed that most of it seems forced. She was more sexy and appealing earlier in her career when she wasn't trying too hard. (Monday 20 June 2016; 19:49)

Daydream (63,624) by George Golden from UK Mariah sounds amazing in the last two Vegas shows. I just could not believe the way she sailed through IDWC. I was speechless. We need an album for early 2017. A killer album like her best album Daydream. Big ballads, big uptempo, no predictable midtempos, great promo. With all this and her voice in great shape we are bound to have a great era. PS. No rap. (Monday 20 June 2016; 19:44)

Chrissy (63,623) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Chrissy uploaded the video of her dancing to TMB on her own account and it got around 1.5 million views. I wish this was some other song of Mariah's (since TMB already went to #1) then we could have gotten it viral and it would boost Mariah's back catalogue more. (Monday 20 June 2016; 19:24)

Re: Father's Day photos (63,615) (63,622) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Hi Mimi L. Just my .02 cents, but I think this relates to Licia's earlier comment about rappers and drugs. A lot of rappers reference drugs in their songs, but don't actually take them. It's a lot more common than one might typically think. Where the line gets blurred a lot in music is how much a song is about the artist's personal life and how much it is not. A lot of dad's can relate to drama in the legal system. Just because he raps something, doesn't mean everything he's saying is autobiographical. Same with Mariah and her songs. That's why she says things like "I like to leave things ambiguous so the listener can relate it to their experience." (Monday 20 June 2016; 19:20)

Out on a limb (63,621) by Haiji Toro from USA RibbonB, I like your idea about her singing "I Can't Make You Love Me". She would definitely make it justice. I've personally, always wanted her to remake "Out On a Limb" by Teena Marie. I grew up with this song being a favorite. Although I respect Teena's artistry, and enjoy her music, I seemed to get annoyed when she'd try to sing it live. I just never felt the same emotion I used to feel from listening to it on wax. But anyways, Mariah usually adds one cover song on every album (two on MIAMTEC), what song do you guys think she should cover on her next album? (Monday 20 June 2016; 18:00)

Re: Father's Day photos (63,615) (63,620) by RibbonB from USA Well somebody does keep posting negative stories about him on TMZ and they claim the sources are her people. Perhaps access to his kids was when she was on tour, who knows? But overall the song didn't really take any low blows at Mariah. The song got a lot of favorable feedback that a lot of fathers and people in general could relate to. I have read that he said he was taking out his frustration at TMZ and "haters" for claiming he refused to sign for no reason. Well being concerned that his children being safe is a valid reason. It seems like since she has returned from SA they are working on those kinds of custody issues. At least he did say they are "happier than happy", until the next moment. Lol. I liked his line, When you all need something, you all call me, when I need something you all call TMZ." Zinger. And she did write Infinity about him, but she said it wasn't so he had a right to reference that. Lol. (Monday 20 June 2016; 16:48)

Sex with no context (63,619) by Matthew from USA I'm not sure why it bothers me, but it does. Maybe I'm just getting old or maybe I'm a prude. I don't have an issue with sex or sexuality in the right context, but to put the sexiness in your face when there is no reason or context for it is just uncomfortable to me. It's like if Mariah were to sing Hero with her breasts out and her crotch barely covered. I get that sex sells, but this isn't even new music. Then I visit the website and the headlines are that Mariah is displaying insane amounts of cleavage and popping champagne over finalizing her divorce in her lingerie and I just wonder what's going on with her. Maybe she hasn't changed. Maybe she has always been this way, but it was less noticeable when she was a young woman. Or maybe I'm the one who has changed. And if this is how I feel, then maybe I should just take a hiatus and let this era pass. Hopefully once she's into her 60's and 70's she will tone it down a bit, unless she's trying to be the next Charo or something. And hopefully she finds someone for her team who can organically incorporate sensuality into her established work, because right now it's just her singing Vision Of Love in a bedazzled bikini for no reason. (Monday 20 June 2016; 16:13)

Re: I Don't Wanna Cry (63,587) (63,616) by George Golden from UK It wasn't lipped and it was amazing. You are such a Mariah hater and it's not funny. Maybe you are friends with the webmaster that's why you haven't been thrown off this board. (Monday 20 June 2016; 11:25)

Father's Day photos (63,615) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter This and this were posted on Nick's instagram where they had a family get together for Father's day. In the captions Nick writes something about how people want them to stay bad so bad but Mariah and him are happier than ever and all. Slightly confusing when he rapped about being worried about his kids and how little time he gets with them, which could have portrayed Mariah in a bad light. But oh well, I'm happy to see them all together, happy and having fun. (Monday 20 June 2016; 11:02)

I can't make you love me (63,614) by RibbonB from USA I love this old Bonnie Raitt classic and Adele has a live cover that's being played on radio lately. She did a fantastic job, but she doesn't have the grit or depth that Miss Raitt has. Prince also has an amazing R&B cover of this song, which I also love. Mariah has such a unique sound with depth to her voice. I wish Mariah would really write some simple, yet classic lyrics on her next project. She has given us the hip, playful and tongue in cheek records, diss records and plenty of holiday records. I'm not looking for the 90's over again, but a mature woman who has been living life to the fullest and been through a lot could really tell some stories. I just wish she would keep the lyrics universal not such that they seem about this one or that one. Betcha Gon' Know is one of Mariah's best sung songs in a long time, but the song itself is not timeless nor universal. Has Mariah ever written in the third person before? I wonder how that would affect her songwriting or delivery. (Monday 20 June 2016; 9:30)

Stella has "Christy" instead of "Chrissy" on IG (63,613) by Susana from USA How embarrassing to have her name wrong and then post it wrong twice. Obviously same person running hers as MC's. (Monday 20 June 2016; 9:15)

Re: It's finally over (63,601) (63,612) by RibbonB from USA Lol also I don't think he has actually signed yet. Other posts have indicated he is ready to sign but for others to respect the process, plus it was just a rap, not necessarily all factual. Who knows what's really real in this whole thing? So much intentional misinformation from all sides. At least they seem to be moving on from this particular tactic. On to the next phase. Lol. (Monday 20 June 2016; 7:40)

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