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Mariah's stage performance versus Celine (50,453) by Seth M from South Africa I agree with what you guys are saying about Celine. She is certainly commanding and a perfectionist on stage. Not only that, but if you look at her "Live in Las Vegas" shows, one cannot be more satisfied as the production, props and background dancers are beautiful and professional. The same applies to Sarah Brightman. If you google Sarah Brightman "Live in Las Vegas", you will see how remarkable and technically perfect she is and her production and background dancers are also very appealing on stage. That is how a Las Vegas show be, and I hope that Mariah benchmarks according to those standards. Mariah is still my favorite but it saddens me when I see her stage performance that lack props and the background dancers look like thugs and come across as unprofessional. I am only saying this because I love Mariah and want the best for her, so I really hope Mariah references the production of other Las Vegas shows to give us and the general public something remarkable and different, losing the crappy background dancers that she uses that "makes her not look good". (Friday 27 February 2015; 1:11)

Baby (50,452) by Jon from Netherlands "Eternal" was a terrible choice. Can you imagine the lead single of Rainbow being "Did I do that?" (Friday 27 February 2015; 1:00)

Cashing in (50,451) by Jon from Netherlands It truly looks like she is only doing it for the money these days. And yes: how can she sing VOL for the milionth time? This Vegas idea is terrible. It's just more of the same. The songs she normally doesn't do will probably be thrown together in a medley and she'll stick to the ones she normally does. I love Honey and TMB but would never care to watch her perform it live. She is cashing in from her name big time and it won't last. A good career move would be to stop singing certain songs. Most of the 90's catalogue should go out the window. If you start from that point you can struggle to reinvent yourself and put on a good show. She needs that struggle. And where the hell are the new arrangements everybody keeps asking for? Is it so difficult to reinvent the songs or is it too much work? The other day I was imagining a jazz version of FLAB. I think it could be great. What about Mine Again? Has she ever sung "100%" live? It's a beautiful song that fits her current voice. The shows she puts on are rehashed and a waste of her catalogue. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:57)

Jaker20 (50,450) by Jon from Netherlands Mariah has definitely not grown. Can you imagine how big her fanbase would be if she had evolved as a person? All the fans from the 90's would still be there for her. Mariah was and still is a huge influence in my life and I looked up to her more than to anyone else. I related to so many things: the fact she was a prisioner in her own house (during her first marriage), the need to break free, the will to fight and believe in yourself (CTTA, TTR, etc.). So many of her quotes were stuck in my head. I always remember from the Butterly era: "In life you make your own choices, nobody holds a gun to your head." Now, I wanted to grow with her. But she is stuck. Me with my 29 years am way more mature than her. At this point she doesn't connect with teenagers nor with more mature people like the ones in this forum. She doesn't have conflicts that make her grow as a human being. Nor do most celebrities. For example, if you can afford plastic surgery you never confront the fact that you are ageing and never truly feel comfortable in your own skin. It's all sad and life lessons like that are lost. Mariah is an extreme case though. I think a lot of us are coming out of a "delusional state". I find that great and really mature. It's not ok to idolize someone no matter what. "Cult of personality" has no place in a healthy society. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:45)

My All (50,449) by 123 from USA Loving that this song has become a topic on the board. It's the ballad I most often go to when it comes to her discography. Her soft vocals fit the song as her vocals continue to build with each chorus until she goes all out. Its predecessors such as After Tonight and I Only Wanted were nice, but lacked the magic My All has. Speaking of My All, there are two male singers that I've witnessed perform great covers of this song. One is from Afgan, I don't know him but I love how he starts off the second verse. I love Alex Serra's cover as well, he changed the arrangement and I loved it. It's funny because it seems that male vocalists do a better job interpreting her songs then female singers since they usually try to mimic her every phrase and fail. Please watch and let me know what you think. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:36)

Red carpet appearances (50,448) by 123 from USA Mariah already addressed this on a Wendy Williams interview in 2003. Wendy told her that she noticed that Mariah purposely isn't on every carpet. Mariah had said something to the effect that she isn't interested in making an appearance at every event. I agree with her thought process because if you do not have anything to promote, then why are you there other than to get into the magazines for what you are wearing? It doesn't benefit her at this point until it's time to promote the next project. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:21)

Otti, videos as album promoters (50,447) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End The Butterfly videos are always gonna be my favourites as as well. She was just bursting with creativity on all fronts during that era. I wish she'd do more videos like that, where she can really display her ability to emote and tell a story. I'm not giving up on MIAMTEC getting more videos than YM, which was such a strange choice for first single, you just know it was the label's decision. If she's gonna release a #1's again, why not promote MIAMTEC by including videos as a bonus? Wasn't there talk, just a few months back, of Thirsty and YDKWTD being filmed? That's the whole purpose of videos: to promote the single and in turn whatever album the song is on. But I get that the MIAMTEC is caught between a rock and a hard place with all the things that have transpired in Mariah life both personally and professionally this last year that continue to conspire against its success. Maybe we'll at least get concert videos at some point. She used to be famous for those, remember? (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:18)

Promoting on TV shows (50,446) by Will from England My impression was that you had to be invited/asked to be on the TV shows. When you're a hot item that viewers would want to tune into the show to actually see them. Mariah is not a hot item at the moment. If she had had a hit with MIAM, I'm almost certain that shows would be lining her up. Whether she's agree to be on them is another matter. All she has to offer really is Vegas, and nothing much else to talk about. And even if she did want to talk about, I doubt she would reveal much about it, except maybe her disdain for singing songs she has never liked. She has already done this on Ellen. Why waste a TV segment on someone in all honesty does not have much to talk about? She won't talk about Idol, she won't talk about the divorce, I doubt she will talk about her children, she barely talks about anything else. (Friday 27 February 2015; 0:03)

Adam / Mariah and Celine (50,444) by Will from England Whenever I see any documentary on Celine and Vegas, it has never been more clear to me how different Celine and Mariah are, in terms of personality. Celine has always remained humble and loving, and is also keenly aware of how to care for her voice in terms of using saline solutions and using a vocal coach still (as we have seen from a video below). She (Celine) has always kept people who keep her grounded, close to her. She also is more funny, relatable and more interactive than Mariah by lightyears. Mariah, not so much. Once upon a time, all it took was just some vocal rest, lemon and honey and she would be fine. She has never had any vocal training/used a vocal training. Yes, she had her mother for a while, but she needs a new professional who will take no nonsense from her, and make her do exercises. Side note: do you think if Patricia said something to Mariah, Mariah would listen to her? What I think Mariah is trying to do, is to create an illusion around herself as being mysterious, but it is not working. If you ask me, I think Celine can have the title of "diva", without being difficult. Mariah consistently passes the blame to lateness to the people around her, and barely takes responsibility for being late. Remember her appearance on Ellen just after she married Nick, about that joke about "As a 12 year-old, how am I expected to get it together?" She may be in control of her life, but she's made more, and more wrong choices so far. Another main difference between Mariah and Celine, is that one actually listens to the people around her. Remember, no matter what people say about MHWGO, Celine did not want to do it, and look what it did for her. Mariah's risks about going against what is advised, worked to an extent (Honey, Fantasy, Dreamlover) but now she needs to listen to more people about what could potentially work. Performance wise, Mariah and Celine differ again. Celine is a performer. She picks costumes that are flattering and are stage friendly. Also (if you see the video that Adam linked to), she actually makes a point to change quickly and keep the show going. Mariah tends to disappear backstage for periods of time to change into inappropriate gowns that are certainly not stage friendly. She picks out the clothes that look more good on her, than are more practical. Remember in TAOM documentary, that she was lamenting that she was not allowed to change after ABMB and they went straight into Honey? She said something along the lines "I think the audience appreciated we kept the show going." When she was in Zimbabwe, or wherever it was, when she left the stage, there was just nothing and the momentum was lost. Celine's shows at least has something between costume changes to mask the amount of time it takes between Celine leaving the stage, and re-entering the stage. It's all timed for her and it's clear that it is a well oiled machine. Everyone know what to do. Mariah's again seems haphazard. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 23:13)

Warren (50,443) by ADAM from USA Thanks for the YouTube recommendation. I've never seen this before and loved it actually. I've always liked Celine's music and her personality throughout the years. She really is the prime example of someone whose had success all her life from a young age and grew up very poor but has always remained humble and a beautiful person. Mariah and Celine have the same amount of accolades and struggles however watching the special made me love her more but also like you mentioned sad for MC. I don't think Mariah has the same discipline about her voice and standards for a live show. I've seen her perform several times in concerts for different albums and I can't say that any one time I've felt the show was polished enough or up to a standard I felt was proud. I think she purposely hires a team of friends and "yes" entourage so I don't expect Vegas to be a different affair. It will be the same Ray Ray two step dance moves and Trey and Maryann singing the same tired background hooks. Such a great talent but again no motivation to want to do better. I wish Tommy Mottola was still an influence in her career because she's could still thrive in the sad landscape of the current state of the music industry. But again she has to want to succeed, not just take the money and run like she has done in the past again (dictators) and again (Virgin) and again (American Idol). (Thursday 26 February 2015; 23:02)

Re: Warren / video Celine Dion (50,442) by Ardis Logic from Earth Great video. Although I didn't watch more than 7 minutes of it I can see that Celine is such a professional person. She is also very balanced and "real". There really is not much "diva" behavior from her. It seems that she is very concerned about taking care of herself, which is very important. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but I have bought one album of hers back in the day and, she has a beautiful voice. She is a good role model for MC. They are different in ways but at the same time they are alike. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 22:54)

The pride? (50,440) by Andrew from UK Adam you have hit the nail on the head, as it were. Is that a British idiom? There has been no reason to act superior for the last few years. Only a reason to connect. There has been opportunity to reach out. I watched Madonna fall at the Brit Awards last night, getting pulled on to her arse in front of her home crowd. And she got up. Dazed. Stood still with no vocals. Then bounced back to her job. She did her job. I went nuts clapping. The woman does her job. I haven't liked any of her material in years but did she not gain a world of respect. She stood up and performed. All lambs give her respect. She wowed as did GaGa. Where is Mariah? No performance to be proud of in ten years. Can't just be me. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 22:54)

Re: Adam / MC out of touch? (50,438) by Ardis Logic from Earth Bravo Adam, I totally agree. That interview was really annoying to watch and listen to. She had horrible mic control, and she of all people should be an expert at that by now. She was all over the place and more concerned with "splashes" that the actual interview. The level of "professionalism" is just totally gone. What happened? Has MC truly been spoiled to the point where she can't even be professional anymore? Yeah let's say it was just a "stupid" interview so what? Well the world is watching and all she is doing is showing us this "princess" mentality. Not that this is anything new to the fans or "lambs" what ever you want to call it. I think some of us are just getting a little more annoyed by it that we used to. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 22:39)

MC is stuck (50,437) by jaker20 from US MC's image is in the gutter. Eternal 18 demeanor is a turn-off even to 18 year olds. No one respects her. Look at her Breakfast Club interview, she's so shad. It isn't cute anymore, she's 45 years and acts like Paris Hilton circa 1999. In a single interview, she alienated fans of another artist. It could have been an opportunity to gain them. And then there's this other female rapper she didn't get along with. What she needs to do is find other creative outlets. Make more movies, maybe direct one, challenge herself, collab with unlikely artists not with predictable rappers or r&b artists, something unexpected and challenge her art, go out with industry people from other industries. When Streisand was at her age she was directing movies. If you're doing the same thing over and over, you don't grow as a person. And if you don't grow, your art don't grow. Right now she's prepping for Vegas to sing VOL and Fantasy for the millionth time to cash in on her name. The only difference now is she can't sing as good as her own original. MC needs to stop listening to these so-called lambs because they are just as bad as her handlers/enablers who don't tell her the truth. When MC was young, she was fierce, she collabed/performed with people more experienced than her, Aretha, Vandross, Whitney. Now it's just a bunch of predictable nobodies who gain from her instead of her gaining. See artists who collabed with her the last few years and who are now doing better than her. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 22:23)

Response to Jon (50,436) by ADAM from USA Watching the Breakfast Club interview really is the nail in the coffin for me. It could have been a breakthrough moment for MC to really be humble and shine her personality with other radio disc jockeys but instead it was an unfiltered look at how Mariah really is removed from reality and so far from who she used to be. She was so off-putting and rambling so much that I don't how the DJ's remained interested in keeping the interview going. Not saying she needs to be 23 again but in terms of likability. If she was a co-worker of mine I wouldn't want to be in the same room as her. For a long time, Mariah has sounded like she's lost the enthusiasm in her natural speaking voice and doesn't seem connected to the material she's putting out. I think the work suffers as a result of this. I think she thinks she's above any producer or manager and that she's God's gift to the world and as a result she's pushed away Randy, Jermaine, Walter, Ben Marguiles, etc. I think she feels entitled to be this all supreme diva now since Whitney is dead and there are no other big players from her heyday around to claim that spot. The difference between Cher, Barbra, and Diana who have all come before her and have as many hits, is their humbleness. Mariah appears to have lost that a long time ago and I think unfortunately another rock bottom moment has to happen in order for her to have a slice of humble pie and reclaim her artistic integrity again. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 21:53)

Vegas \ depressed (50,435) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago This video just turned up on my YouTube suggestions and 27 minutes into watching I have to say I am a little depressed. I don't think MC has these kind of people around her, who really care and are so professional. Apart from that, I don't know (having seen her twice before) if she is as disciplined to do this. Please everyone, I am not ragging or being intentionally negative, but if you have 27 minutes, look at this. I want nothing more than 25 #1's and success beyond measure for MC but looking at the kind of work that this production is, how Celine (who I am not a huge fan of) takes care of her voice and all that is just frightening. Shouldn't MC be in Vegas now preparing all of these things? Do we or anyone know where she is? I want this to be her second big comeback and shock the world, but I am so sad after seeing this video. Mostly I am worried about the people entrusted to handle her show and career - that is the biggest concern to me as a lamb since 1990. What do you guys think? (Thursday 26 February 2015; 21:40)

Mariah fans and JLo (50,434) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Lets all be honest. The term lamb is not as elusive as Mariah Carey. When I look at Mariah Carey's fanbase, she has many different types of fans in many different categories. The devoted fans will always be there for her and support her even through these difficult times. The casual bisocial fans are the ones who are open minded with a touch of emotional arrogance that is associated with becoming impatient with Mariah. These fans typically are always supportive until they lose their patience and only support her when interest is regained. Then there are the fans that only like 1-3 songs off an album but usually don't like her antics. These fans will only support if intrigued by her music or have emotional connection to support her like a family or friend. Then their are, well, everyone else. Mariah is in her own category and she will change when she is ready. I agree with some fans on this post that promotion is key but I feel it's not everything. Her Vegas showing, to me, will make or break her career. I prefer her attention to be on making Vegas a success and not promoting right now. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 20:39)

Red carpet (50,433) by Dove from USA Even though I would love to see Mariah on the red carpet wearing beautiful clothes like JLo does, I vote nay. I think it would be better if she concentrated her energy on making the #1's show spectacular. If the show is entertaining and breathtaking, that's going to be better promo than red carpets because people will be talking about it and eager to go see it. Part of the reason I was so pumped to see Celine's show when it first came out was because Matt Lauer raved about it on the Today Show. And let's be honest, the red carpet has never been kind to Mariah, she has never cared about fashion and lived in jeans and t-shirts for most of the 90's. Also, her red carpet interviews are awkward sometimes because whenever she doesn't want to talk about something she starts rambling. I think it hurts her more than helps. I suggest she does amazing photoshoots with fashion photographers instead, letting the experts choose the clothes. Then she can wear jeans and t-shirts the rest of the time. Some people are media darlings: JLo, Paul McCartney, and Taylor Swift. Then there are the Michael Jacksons, John Lennons and Mariah Careys of the world who aren't as smooth but still survive because they have something rare and valuable to offer. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 20:32)

Music video (50,408) by Mimi L. (50,432) by Dove from USA Don't Forget About Us because I really like Marilyn Monroe and soccer is my favorite sport. I also like it because there are a several looks and settings. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 20:07)

Mariah (50,430) by B from USA Mariah needs to appear humble and grateful for her success. She doesn't need to make any drastic changes. She's actually positioned to regain the publics sympathy because of the divorce. She's been cheated on by a douche that used her to further his career. If you dont believe me go read the comment section on US Weekly. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 18:03)

She can't win (50,429) by Luke from United Kingdom Her fans either say they want her to be in the public eye 24/7 or to "take time out, rest and find herself". Make your minds up people. It is annoying when we don't see her for long periods of time but maybe she doesn't want to waste her time with all the pretentious red carpet act. She probably wants to spend the evening with her kids, not a crowd of self absorbed celebrities trying to compete with what designer they are wearing. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 17:55)

Mariah commands attention (50,428) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am sorry but that's exactly the kind of attitude that has turned people away from her. Even her close friends. You don't see Randy Jackson and Jermaine Dupri around MC now anymore and these people were always with her for a very long time. And Beyonce said way before Rihanna that VOL made her become a singer, and yet Beyonce had to wait until the massive publicity risk of her latest album to get the star power she is now commanding. So no, just modelling your career after someone does not guarantee success. Rihanna got major boost through public sympathy for her after she was hit by Chris Brown during which she picked up multiple #1's. Then came her creating multiple image changes that lead her to be a style icon to teenagers (who are the people who buy music the most nowadays). Then she got together with Eminem to gather a couple more #1's. Rihanna did not model her career after MC. They couldn't be different as individuals and as artists. As for Barbra, she continues to remain successful and relevant not only for being a talented singer but she is also an Oscar/Tony/Emmy winner, director and actress (on both movies and TV shows). MC chose only one lane and to stay relevant, she needs bring her A game. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 17:29)

Barbra Streisand's Longevity (50,427) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End When Mariah was asked who she modeled her career after back in her debut days she mentioned Barbra Streisand specifically as someone who was still relevant decades into her career trajectory. And Barbra is still here. Just like the vocal powerhouses Aretha, singer-songwriter and Patti, businesswoman, Diana, the first black female mega star. Not to mention Stevie Wonder, unparalleled musician. Barbra, actress, producer and singer in equal measure, is even more elusive than Mariah, she hardly ever does live concerts because of stage fright, but she still sells albums in a steady pace. So it's no coincidence that Mariah is still here. She has learned to take from the best of her idols to fit her own career choices and artistry. Just like any talented aspiring or even established artists look to her for inspiration instead of as irrelevant. Notice how someone like Rihanna still credits VOL as the spark that lit her fire and ambition to make music. It's no wonder she is the closest one to Mariah's #1 records. Game recognises game, right? Mariah is an icon and a living legend at this point. It doesn't mean she should rest on her laurels, it just means she has paid her dues. She is beyond demanding attention. Mariah commands it. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 16:57)

ADAM (50,426) by Jon from Netherlands I'm right there with you. Was it lost with TEOM? Maybe she felt so validated after what is probably the biggest "comeback" ever she felt she didn't need to work hard anymore. On the Breakfast Club interview she completely dismissed JD and his influence on her career. It was subtle but one can tell she feels she doesn't need anyone. The truth is that she has been immensely successful with different collaborators and might feel that she will always come around. She is definetly not "thirsty" anymore. There is nothing wrong with that. In that case just do it for the love of it and put a good product out. When you show up deliver to those that love you. (Thursday 26 February 2015; 16:45)

Mimi / Mariah on Lambily (50,425) by ADAM from USA JLo is a good example because they both are the same age, sexy, have twins, divorced, and became popular in the 90's. JLo has an empire built on her fashions, beauty, lifestyle brand, American Idol persona, acting, etc. Nowadays stars with legacies have to cross promote many different avenues and have a down to Earth persona that makes people feel like they know them and like them. Mariah does not do this well. In fact, she does the opposite - she consistently puts out this diva image and it only repels people further into not liking her. I can't remember the last time I heard someone mention they liked Mariah after 98. They always refer to her in past tense when she was in full voice, flat chested and the girl from Long Island. MC pioneered stars renaming their fans and connecting with them frequently about their careers. This is my biggest concern about MC. I think something has been lost with her for a long time from way before Nick was in her life. Remember when she had NTT and Fan Appreciation Days and voice mails? Now its only updates her PR team puts out about Vevo views and other BS. BTW I'm not referring to updates about her kids bc its clear Nick doesn't want their life publicized and I agree with him. If she had her way they would still be photographed everyday on IG. I feel she's lost her creative spark and voice to create good music again. Does anyone else feel the same way? (Thursday 26 February 2015; 15:32)

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