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The non lambs (49,746) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter People who call out fans who have the "audacity" *sarcasm* to point out any of Mariah's shortcomings really will be the reason of Mariah's downfall. Words cannot describe how much I love this woman, eventhough I never met her, in many ways she has changed my life and helped me in situations where I felt helpless. But I will not stand by and keep telling myself (and others) that Mariah can do no wrong and the only way one can qualify as a fan is accepting that Mariah has no flaws at all. That's silly. This is exactly why MC has been in this situation several times. People not telling her the truth or in Mary's word "giving her the real". MC is an artist with enormous talent, but one has to admit that she can be a mess sometimes. Especially now. While I will never ask her to retire (because I am selfish like that, I want more and more of MC), I would advice her to only take up projects when she can properly deliver on it. Taking up work just for the sake of it and then being a mess infront of the world is not helping her in anyway. There is a saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" but when someone who is known as The Voice is only in the news because of her bad and messed up performances and vocal conditions, then I am sorry it is very bad publicity. I see some people here are still talking about how all artists lip-sync, such as Beyonce. Um, have you seen Beyonce perform? With her grueling dance routines and the enormous effort put in her stage performance, and the amount of though put in her stage effects and overall show. I think people will gladly forgive her for not singing live. Because one can't jump around like that and still hit all the right notes. But that's not the case for MC. She has been allowed to sing in one place and use the only thing she needed, her voice, to wow the audience. So yes it is a big deal if she lipsyncs, but not when people like Gaga or Britney does it. Those people were never pegged as legendary singers eitherways. I think MC should really look at her performances and see put herself in her fan's position and judge for herself if she is doing the right thing. I understand why she probably doesn't see her bad performances, I sometimes do it, if I write a bad paper, and I know it's bad, I don't feel like going through it again and instead just submit it to get it over with and move on. But my paper is not viewed by the world, MC's performance is. She signed up for it, so now she has to take responsibility. I pray and hope MC realizes this and works on it. Day by day her status as the untouchable legend is deteriorating and if she continues we will be the last generation that looked at her as a legend because others will just know her as a messy performer. MC please don't let your legendary status die out, if not for yourself than do it for your fans. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:30)

Offended (49,745) by G.G. from USA People are "offended" by others being critical of Mariah's bad behavior/performances and suggesting retirement, yet they aren't offended by Mariah being consistently late, low budget stage production, lip synching poorly, walking off stage in the middle of a song, and sounding bad when she does sings live. Alrighty then. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:18)

Knowing when (49,744) by MimiLamb from Germany I'm actually laughing, some pretend like 90% of the people here still believe everything is fine and dandy, but like Shelly already mentioned that maybe 1% thinks that. There is a difference between knowing and still believing and knowing and not believing. When you think she should retire fine, think that and move on. Enough people including myself still think she has it, so we will stick around. Who are others to tell me I can't feel that way. Time will tell, but I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again. We got it, we all saw it, and we all know it. Do you think by going around in circles makes it better? Changes what happened? There is just one person that can change something, that is Mariah herself, and we will see if she changed when she starts her Vegas residency. Nobody is forcing anybody to stick around, to go to her Vegas show or buy her music. So if you do want to just don't do it and leave it at that. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:16)

The voice (49,743) by B from USA Mariah's voice is fragile. It always has been. Her live performances have always been hit or miss. She's over 40 and strained her voice during the 90's. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:56)

Retirement (49,742) by Luke from United Kingdom I find it almost offensive when people keep saying she should retire. I agree she should probably take a break now and focus on Vegas but not retire. As an artist, I'd be pretty annoyed if I was having a bad time and people started saying "Just stop doing what you love and retire." Just because you don't like watching her make mistakes like every other human on the planet, does not mean she should stop doing what she states is her saving grace. Apart from her children, her music might be the only thing from taking her down the path that none of us want to see. Ragardless of the mishaps that have been happening on stage. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:48)

Enablers (49,740) by Dove from USA There are very few posts on this site from people who act like nothing is wrong, I would say 1% or less. There are people who haven't lost hope, like myself, but hope is not what's going to bring her down. Other people will not be her downfall because each person is responsible for their own destiny. If anything is toxic, it's your attitude of defeat and doom. I think cowardly is not having hope and instead choose the default, which is failure. Do you really think if Mariah fails this will be the end of her? After 25 years do you truly believe her legacy will be forever tarnished? People look back at the Glitter era and are endeared to her even more for not being perfect. I think it's cruel to tell her to retire when she obviously doesn't want to, or else she would have. Nobody is forcing her to do anything. It's obviously an outlet for her and maybe she needs us right now. I am choosing to be there for her, rain or shine. If she's not good enough for you, don't go see her. I assure you, when the time comes, plenty of people still will. The people who will be at her Vegas shows are the ones who were suppossed to be there. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:30)

YouTube (49,739) by Jon from Netherlands If you write Mariah Carey on YouTube the second search result is now "Mariah Carey lip sync fail". To the people that are being "positive": you are helping to destroy one of the best things to ever happen to music. It's not about the best moments of a show. It's about the worst moments of a show. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 11:58)

Mariah's voice (49,738) by juan from Dubai Mimi's voice was never always at the top. Her best days were early 90's, Unplugged, Music Box, Daydream Japan, Charmbracelet, start of TEOM, AMA performance of "I stay in love", last day of the Christmas series. In the early days, she was criticized for not being a regular live singer on tv guestings. And there is even a audio recording of Music Box tour, in LA, where her voice is completely cracked up and can't sing because of colds. So we hope the Vegas will be a fabulous glittery show with some toned-down sets focusing on her legendary voice. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 10:50)

Enablers (49,737) by G.G. from USA These fans who act like nothing is wrong and say others are "not fans" for stating the truth are toxic enablers. That's the type of people that Mariah probably has surrounded herself with now. "Your Jamaica concert was perfect Mariah." This is why this won't get better, no one is telling her the truth. It's like telling an addict they don't need rehab. All of these delusional, fake people who are too cowardly to tell the truth will be her downfall. Sad. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 10:43)

Chill down people (49,736) by juan from Dubai Chill down, that Jamaican gig was a small gig. Whatever happens, Vegas will be ok to great, just like any other of her concerts. Have a look at this and promote. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 10:39)

Las Vegas here we come (49,735) by jaker20 from US I knew this was gonna happen, some of you should read up my posts when Vegas was announced. She can't do it. With what we've seen, it's just not physically possible to turn back time. What she needs to do is change her catalog, or stop that Vegas residency completely or she will completely lose what is remaining of her voice once and for all. This Vegas deal with related to her emotional turmoil, to forget her heartbreak. She is listening to yes people behind her. This is not the right way to go. Sure, accuse me for acting like I know MC. But you don't know her either. All we know is that this is not working. Her voice is too fragile. Vegas will be her end. Instead, she should concentrate on recording new material where she is not belting. Will that cost her fans? Most definitely it will. Because fans just want her to belt until her voice is gone. But, she will gain new ones. And at least she will be able to continue to work, because at the rate she's going, the end of her voice and career is fast approaching into one of the most massive career embarrassments of all time. This is why some fans call for her retirement because her decline is so painful to watch. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 7:17)

Kind and soft retirement advice (49,734) by jaker20 from US This retirement topic has been brought up long before this - yet another - lip-syncing embarrassment. I've said it before and I'll say it again: MC should stop singing her oldies she can't sing live. She has a big catalog where she doesn't have to belt. Will people recognize the songs? No, maybe not. But that is a better alternative than constantly lipping and backtracking. Because right now, she herself has brought her lip synching into public knowledge. Before, it was just fans who notice it. Now it's practically on the mainstream, not just now, but repeatedly, over and over she expose herself to embarrassment. Then she slays live like the Christmas concert but nobody notice, because her low is so low and embarrassing, no one cares anymore if she's good when she's good. MC doesn't need to retire, she just needs to chance her catalog. People won't recognize the songs, but they will at least appreciate her, she's not destroying her legacy and she's not embarassing herself. Enough is enough with WTB, VOL and those belt songs we all know she's lipping. Her ego can't admit she can't sing them anymore. She's scared no one will sing along to her unknown songs. But that's not true. People will love her more for trying. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 7:09)

Negativity? (49,733) by Jay from USA I've been thinking about all this going on with Mariah. It doesn't make sense that she is acting aloof with this nonsense. Some people are claiming we are watching her start to have a new breakdown. But even that doesn't make sense. Last time, and I'm old enough to remember as it happened, she left the messages, Louise would rip the microphone from her hands as she gave an interview. However now it's like everything she does is normal to her. "Let me stand here and not love my lips", "let me walk off the stage as I'm singing", "let me not comment on any of this and sign a contract to do Vegas". I wonder if all this just a ploy for her to come out with her first album with Sony and bam, second comeback. Maybe I'm being naive. But it just doesn't make sense that no one in her family has done anything to snap her out of her funk. Her mom, Shawn, or even her brother. All this negative media might be intentional so when the "comeback" starts, it'll be "look, she's been down in the dumps and came back". In all seriousness, I hope she's okay. I'm not here to impose a retirement on her it whatever. She has enough negative people, fans, non fans, media. If I'm reading too much into this (I have no PR experience, so idk) but I hope she's good. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 5:59)

Everyone lip sings (49,732) by lil star from untied states I cant understand why Mimi is the only singer that gets huge backlash from a performance. Every current singer lip sings in shows unfortunately Mimi is trying to fit in the the current industry. Even Beyonce always lip sings. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 4:35)

It's not about perfection (49,731) by Edward from USA Nobody is expecting perfection from Mariah, those 90's days are gone. People want Mariah to be the professional we all know she can be. If there's something going wrong with a track, stop it, joke about it, sort it out, and start again, she's done that before, and the audience laughed if off with her. Mariah looked as if she was either drunk or high on stage, and walking off stage leaving a recording behind is unacceptable no matter how many divorces she's going through. If she wasn't feeling well, she shouldn't have taken the gig, as simple as that. Some people think that fans alone will go to Vegas, when in reality most of the tickets will be bought by the GP, and no casual listener is going to spend their good money to see Mariah spin around with a very bad case of miming just because she's Mariah Carey and she entitled to it. She shouldn't retire, she's still young, she just need to (all caps) "get it together". Once you fall, the only option is to get up. I don't think she could fall any lower. My heart is broken. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 3:04)

Done (49,730) by Marissa from USA "There is no mistaking my posts for anti-lamb or you would have been quoting me instead of trying to rewrite my posts like we all don't have eyes and fingers to scroll with." So I quote you multiple times and it's still an issue. At this point it doesn't matter if I write a dissertation on your posts, which I'm sure would be your next request. Nothing will be resolved. No one on any online messageboard is worth all of that effort. Case dismissed. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:36)

Honesty (49,729) by Jon from Netherlands About the night in Tokyo when she appeared to not know the lyrics to WBT is it so bad to stop the show and be honest and say: I'm going through a really hard time and I can't do this song? Everybody would understand and relate. Like this it feels like she's having mental issues. Be honest. Cry your heart out if you want on stage. Don't go on without acknowledging the problem, that is just awful. The headline would be: Mariah carey is heart broken and can't finish song. That is actually completely acceptable. Take 5, come back, talk with the audience and do other song. Something different btw. At this point one of Mariah's biggest problems is her inflexibility. She goes to a jazz festival and does the same old songs. And no it's no ok to accept dirty money and no she's no having a pre-breakdown. It's a full blown meltdown. It's just very hidden because she doesn't show up in public but these glimpses we have are enough to let us now something is extremely wrong. There is nothing wrong with showing love for her but please guys don't be enablers: tell her to stay home. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:15)

Nope Kelly Price was still wrong for that (49,728) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia Respect her for what? Throwing stones and hiding her hands? Publicly trying to tear down the women who virtually gave her a career? If she was "keeping it" so "real", she would've told Mariah that to her face, or better yet reached out to her to try to help her or pray for her situation. I don't respect people that try to kick you when you're down. Grant it MC has been in a mess of a tailspin lately, but if someone is your real friend that has regards for you as a person/peer in the business, they wouldn't use social media to bash you publicly. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:12)

Re: Nina, divorce (49,727) by Ardis Logic from Earth It really is hard to say what happened. Since there is a confidentiality agreement between Nick and Mariah, neither one of them can say anything about it unless they want to pay a huge fine (I believe it's $250, 00 for Nick and $500,000 for Mariah). Who came up with that crazy ass agreement is what I want to know. I wonder if they will be talking about it after the divorce is final or if the agreement is forever. Usually Mariah talks through her music but sometimes it's hard to know who she is talking about. I really have a feeling that Nick never loved her, he was just using her to get more famous. He "love bombed" her in the beginning (narcissist ) acting like Prince Charming. Then once he was in and they had "dem babies" everything started to change. Just listen to "Camouflage" that is the whole story right there, or at least that what it seems like. We will never know really until MC talks about it herself. We can only speculate and assume. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:04)

Retirement (49,726) by Jon from Netherlands Yes, please. Reason? The "Jazz organizer mum on Mariah" article. A lot of us here are blind. I'm not. Not anymore. There is no chance of going out with a bang. It's dead. Just leave the stage. We all love her too much and I sincerely don't want to see her go on like this. Edith Piaf ended like this but at least she had health issues. What people here don't get is that this can get much much worse. Maybe Mariah is not as strong as she used to be. Losing the love of your life must be extremely painful and maybe she can't come back from that (at least not anytime soon). Do we really want her to continue going down? We're watching a runner trip, fall, have everyone step on him and we are going to cheer him to go on? Stop immediatly and get the help you need. I really wish I could do something to help her but I can't. Reminds me of the Whitney interview when she said she went to a therapist for celebreties and people that go through that type of pressure. Mariah needs the same. And like Whitney just stay home in your pijamas, wait for the kids to come back from school and live a easy live. Maybe in 5 years we'll se you again. We'll miss you but it will be better than this. To those who still believe: what else does it take? Doesn't it break your heart? Telling her to continue it's not being nice, it's kind of sadistic. She's getting to the point that even her haters are gonna start feeling sorry for her. When that point comes she will have reduced herself to a joke. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 2:00)

Stressed to the max / have some empathy for MC (49,725) by Ardis Logic from Earth Just imagine if you had to get up in front of thousands of people and are expected to sing difficult songs perfectly every time. On top of that your significant other, who you are still madly in love with, filed for divorce, and is trying to steal half your worth. On top of being heartbroken, you are worried about being a single parent to twins. You are being sued by ex nannies. Your sister and others are constantly trying to get money out of you, and that is only the things we know about. That is a lot to handle. Now she has to worry about her voice going out or having vocal problems. That is truly too much stress. We really need to have some empathy for Ms. Mariah. She is having a very hard time right now. Let's try to be positive and supportive to her. That is the best thing we can do really. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 1:48)

Nina (49,724) by Nick from USA I am pretty sure it was before May because of songs like Thirsty, You Don't Know What To Do, etc. I honestly think Nick cheated on her, because it did end out of nowhere and him cheating on her makes the most sense. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 1:21)

Understanding Mariah (49,723) by Taylor from USA The ugliest part of the current situation is the attack on Mariah that comes from not only non-fans but also those who claim to be lambs. It's like Mariah accidentally spilled a drop of blood and the sharks all swarm around her. The issue with Mariah aside, because we do not know with utmost certainty, the most disappointing part is the society at large who feels they have right to criticize and attack a woman on her off moments. Imagine living your life in the public eye and have all the pressure in the world to be absolutely perfect at every moment. Society have this impossible expectation projected on public figures and we forget that every one is human. And humans will falter because we are not machines. Do we all recall how exhausted and overworked Mariah was when the Glitter debacle happened? Sure, we can tell her to rest up and stay home, but everyone deals with emotional turmoil differently. Mariah is brave enough to put herself out there everyday, even when she is not at her best. We all strive to carry on, so why don't we empathize with the woman who gave us inspiration such as Hero? It's really sad how quickly we can abandon someone when they can seem for even a brief moment that they no longer serve us well. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 1:10)

That's my brand / The Greatest Hits (49,722) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End So now you're composing lists of my disjointed quotes? If you're gonna quite me then do it right, in context. What you did is the equivalence of someone posting lyric lines from different songs and even albums ignoring any underlying textures or themes. It's as arbitrary as it gets. Pick an entire post to pick apart, one at a time. Even professional Mariah Carey critics generally stick to reviewing one body of work at a time. It's not like there aren't plenty of my posts to choose from. I've been clear since before post #1, in my profile, That if you come for Mimi, you come for me. I cut for Mariah and that's never gonna change. A wise woman once said: When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. I told you all several times already, what more do you want? And you don't have to tell me twice who you are. I heard you the first time. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 0:04)

Mariah needs love and understanding (49,721) by Gilbert from USA Here is the thing. I spent a couple of hours thinking about this and writing and re-writing what I'm feeling but to be honest I'm already a bit irked with Mariah. I don't think she needs love and understanding. She is a big girl and she needs to put her big girl panties on and stop making a mockery of herself. She needs someone who is going to sit her down and say look, this is what you need to do and this is what you need to stop doing. It's called tough love, giving her too much say is also not always good. I remember back on performances I used to see where she would just lay on a couch playing with her hair and singing and I thought that looks so tacky and it just looked like she was there to be glorified in her beauty. I adore Mariah I really do but come on she really needs someone to sit her down and get her the help she needs because she is just all over the place. She is making that woman I feel in love with back in 95 look like a joke. She worked to hard to go out as a joke. (Tuesday 3 February 2015; 23:05)

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