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Re: Trash (96,111) (96,114) by ktktkt from Philippines Only self hating "blacks" with an inferiority complex who want to increase the Black population uses the One Drop Rule. I read somewhere. (Monday 12 October 2020; 15:35)

The Meaning of Mariah Carey review, finally (96,113) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa I've been so overwhelmed with everything Mariah since the release of this book and the months leading up to it. I've been revisiting all of the amazing home performances, the live snippets, and of course everything MC30. She's given so much this year and it's all come in with such great energy. I love where she is in 2020. So my book arrived 2 days after release (Amazon) and I took 2 days to read it. I wanted to read first, then treat myself to the audiobook. I honestly could not put the book down. I forced myself to because I wanted to stretch it at least 2 days. I am still so blown away. Wow. I loved hearing her stories and reflections. So many were relatable for a multitude of reasons. Coming from a multi-cultural family myself, the perspective that she spoke from was so refreshing, relevant, honest, raw, and just right on. It wasn't sugar-coated sunshine and rainbows at all and I love her for it. The fact that this was a memoir rather than an autobiography really provided a platform for her emotional truth. The webs and loops displayed how emotional experiences affected her throughout her life. I loved that. I feel communicating from that place of emotional truth is one of her strengths, it's what makes her songwriting so powerful. I found myself revisiting my own memories as I read about hers, revisiting songs from the eras I was reading about as I went along, it was just a whole experience and it was so full. Everything in the book tied together so well, it was cohesive, and the themes were woven throughout. The themes of racism (systemic and otherwise) and division were so timely. Mariah has touched on these subjects for many many years. However, the book gave her the place to really share her experiences and perspectives in the proper setting. The biggest surprise for me was how visual the experience was. It's like I could see every single scene and story that was told. Shout out to Michaela Angela Davis, this was a powerful collaboration. I keep racking my brain to choose a favorite section, but I just loved the whole thing. Though I would love for her to write an autobiography one day, I would actually love to get a couple more memoirs from her first. This one focused most on her childhood, I would like to hear more about some other aspects or themes in her life. This book feels like a transition project, carrying Mariah into a whole new aspect of her career. Between TMOMC and The Rarities, I am so stoked for what is to come. (Monday 12 October 2020; 11:59)

Collection of thoughts (96,112) by Sarah from Netherlands - I thought the Last Show at Sing Sing included Walter A at her kitchen table. Seems in line with how she writes about people with whom she at some point doesn't want to associate with anymore. - About her not taking blame: we've always known this. Let's not pretend to be surprised. Down to the deviation from her "original notes and thoughts" for Glitter. That's just how movie production works. - Divas moment: have yet to read this part, but from what I've read here this is also not news. - Loverboy: she's stated on more than one occasion that she likes it better with the Candy sample. I do too. OK, that was it (for now). (Monday 12 October 2020; 11:49)

Re: Trash (96,076) (96,111) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Eddie, you are as astute as you are wise. The Meaning of Mariah Carey could be summed up to this: "Please think I'm black, non-black people bad, I've never done anything wrong, everyone else is always at fault." I really liked listening to the first part of the book but that quickly faded a bit. But I still enjoyed it. Mariah takes no responsibility for anything and her accounts of things are certainly eyebrow raising. For instance, the plate smashing. She just wanted to wash up in the middle of drama, that was what she needed to do. And then the plates just slipped out of her hands... helloooo, they were all soooapppy, didnt you know. And then, lo. The racist white police arrive and her racist white mother made them take the poor black woman away. Doesn't matter that she looks whiter than my ass in winter. There is clear agenda in this book and I am not certain it comes from the most honest of places. Finally, when Mariah explained the one-drop rule I actually put my fork down and just stared at Alexa in disbelief. Very desperate. The only thing that I got from the book as a lingering afterthought is that Mariah hates her own skin. (Monday 12 October 2020; 09:52)

Re: Tears (96,094) (96,110) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Sorry, did you have some sort of fit and land on the keyboard? (Monday 12 October 2020; 09:42)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,106) (96,109) by Timothy from USA It's looking like it will chart at 28 or 29 for the debut frame when the chart updates. The chart runs a week behind. (Monday 12 October 2020; 02:08)

Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,102) (96,108) by enwar00 from usa I didn't think it was stupid Deedee. I usually check the message board on here more often than the news. It's more interactive. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 22:07)

Loverboy Firecracker fan-made video edit (96,107) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Yeah, this doesn't have the racetrack beat and energy that the Candy sample lends, but it still works. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 18:53)

Billboard 200 (96,106) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Is it true? The Rarities didn't chart on the Billboard 200? (Sunday 11 October 2020; 17:46)

Re: Trash (96,095) (96,105) by RibbonB from USA Just because he has meaning to you, doesn't mean he means shit to her. Of course if she had mentioned the clown in the Divas chapter, that would've been the penultimate shade. The ultimate is not giving him space at all. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 16:58)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,103) (96,104) by Bobby A from United States Yes, I did. But I don't compile information for Billboard Inc. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 15:32)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,096) (96,103) by TJ from Norway Didn't you predict it to be at the number one spot? Or number 2? With 160.000 sales the first week? (Sunday 11 October 2020; 14:48)

Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,098) (96,102) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Yes Eric I've been coming here for years. I've also seen people share articles on the board which got linked on occasion. I thought the board might talk about the demo. My bad. I won't bring any outside content to the board in future. Apparently the post came across as stupid and offensive. Got it. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:44)

Re: Trash (96,095) (96,101) by Bill from the UK No I agree, Mariah wouldn't be able to perform at the level Aretha was that night, I was more spinning it around and putting it in context for Mariah's fans perspectives, as to why some may find Celine's performance that night disrespectful. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:18)

Re: Billboard's 100 best MC songs (96,074) (96,100) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Saw this when it came out last week and immediately thought that the mere inclusion of Infinity automatically invalidates the list. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 06:03)

Re: Article: The Rarities liner notes (96,090) (96,099) by Lainsky from Philippines Wow Bill. Did not realize you are famous in UK. Nice article on brief history or shall I story behind those songs. Thank you. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 05:55)

Where Are You Christmas demo (96,098) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Article below. [Webmaster: Did you know this website also has a news section?] (Sunday 11 October 2020; 05:50)

Re: The good and the bad (96,089) (96,097) by RibbonB from USA Clarification, in the book the dinner party was described as with music industry friends etc. At an Italian restaurant frequented by music industry illuminati. It's just most artists never refer to that and most don't want to be associated with the word. I just thought that was random and funny to use that descriptor. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 04:16)

Billboard 200 (96,096) by Bobby A from United States I can't bring up the current Billboard Top 20O chart for this week. I want to know how TR did last week. Does anybody know? (Sunday 11 October 2020; 02:27)

Re: Trash (96,082) (96,095) by Edward from USA Bill, Aretha could still blow away any of those on stage that night at 55. If she hadn't had the power to hold up, she wouldn't have made the call. Celine Dion just gave it her all, and she didn't outsing Aretha. Now, let's fast-forward to a supposed 2025 Divas Live, the way things are with Mariah's voice, I doubt she would still be able to sing 10% of any of those powerful songs of hers like Aretha still could, and while group-singing and improvising, she wouldn't be able to use a backtrack. Do you really think, on a Mariah tribute she would made the call on a song like Emotions? Knowing her and her insecurities, hell the f no. Mariah's voice was drowned among the other voices, just like her voice was drowned on that duet with Patti LaBelle, and she really tried it. Now go and watch one of my favorite performances by Mariah, her duet live with Luther Vandross, a favorite of hers, Mariah totally outsang him, like she outsang Boyz II Men and virtually anybody she could while her voice was still capable. She couldn't outsing Whitney because she couldn't at that point. Unless she's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, how is Celine singing with Aretha part of "The Meaning of Mariah Carey"? Didn't she take the path of least resistance bringing Celine on her memoirs instead of Eminem? Well, she knows better than that. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 01:37)

Tears (96,094) by Slipping Butterfly from United States I knew the white and coon tears were coming when the book was released. Y’all precious safe divas is more radical then you thought. Her issues Celine performance shows the major culture difference. Celine was out of pocket. If that was on different channel she would have got cussed out. As far as her skipping over Nick she did that for her children sake. They can found he bum in do time. Her hair issues were all before she was 12 years old, how are y’all mad at a little girl for not knowing how to do her hair when nobody taught her. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:51)

Re: Billboard's 100 best MC songs (96,074) (96,093) by TJ from Norway My list wouldn't look like that at all. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:41)

Re: Article: The Rarities liner notes (96,090) (96,092) by Stacey from USA Don't forget us little people now that you've hit it big. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:31)

Re: Trash (96,086) (96,091) by Stacey from USA I don't even know where to begin with such nonsense. I guess I should start by finding the 10+ Celine albums I have. The last one being Courage I bought. My favorite being A New Day Has Come from 2003. I've been a fan of both singers since the early 90s, enjoying their different styles. The truth of the matter is Celine's voice has held up better than Mariah. Why? Sure Celine's voice has changed with age like any singer. She uses technology, playback options, etc. Early on in Celine's career she lost her voice during a performance, due to stress, overuse? Who knows. I can't remember why. Sufficeth to say, she said from that moment on she treated her voice with great care. We all point to 1997 when MC's voice changed. Coincidentally that was also the year she left Tommy. He controlled everything, especially the money (aka her voice and I'm sure how she took care of it). Now no one is going to say she should stay home, not hang out with friends, have a good time. But when you're voice is fragile to begin with, nodules and all, is drinking, hanging out with those who smoke, maybe puffing once here and there the wisest thing? I don't recall scenes of Celine banging it out in the clubs. She was home with her hubby. You can question my fan-hood all you want. It's not like that's never been done here before, lol. But the truth is Celine's voice has held up better over the years. Has nothing to do with who's the better singer, who you prefer, noteworthy, whatever. It's just a fact. Now go and quietly ask yourself why. Moving on to heading home now with The Rarities in my CD player. Because see that's why I come here since 2002, I think? Former collector, you'll even find some of my items listed on Eric's discography. Why am I even telling you this? Must be those dang tangents, you know the one MC is stopped from going off of at the end of Lullaby of Birdland by the band. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:27)

Article: The Rarities liner notes (96,090) by Bill from the UK Wow I made the main page, thank you. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 00:07)

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