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Bye Bye (88,970) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines If we are being completely honest, about 90% of the hate on this song comes from the fact that it was released by the label (apparently against Mariah's wishes) as an attempt to duplicate the It's Like That - We Belong Together upbeat then ballad one-two punch strategy that has so successfully worked for TEOM, forgetting that Touch My Body wasn't an upbeat but a mid-tempo hit, so following it up with another mid-tempo finger-snapping, watered and dumbed-down version of One Sweet Day was not ideal at all. 2008-2009 was a time when the popularity of similarly styled R&B-lite songs such as Chris Brown's With You and Rihanna's Take A Bow were dying to make way for the electropop reign of Gaga and Ke$ha. Bye Bye did have potential, but not as a second single, especially when Migrate and Cruise Control were around and begging for a release. Back to the point - Bye Bye was hated mostly for "killing" E=MC2's momentum and is more often than not unfairly judge based on that rather than its own merits as a song. It's actually a cute track about loss for the younger 2008 audience, lyrically genuinely affecting at some parts and cringe-worthy in others. Bye Bye did not kill Mariah's chances of a 19th #1 - the label did, as did Mariah's romance with Nick at the time to some degree, which we really can't hate because that eventually gave us Roc & Roe almost 3 years later. (Wednesday 3 April 2019; 13:44)

Re: Outside (88,968) (88,969) by MusicfanJ from Germany Perfect description of this beautiful song. When Mariah sings softly at the end "You'll always be somewhere on the outside" it gets me everytime. So emotional and true. That song has always a special place in my heart too. (Wednesday 3 April 2019; 10:37)

Outside (88,968) by anonymous from UK I'm still struck at how much of a profound impact this song has, after 22 years, and yet I find myself asking, why? It is profound. The lyrics are timeless; not so cheap and desperate to be considered light reading, yet neither Plato. Such real words, which even when you see them written on plain paper in front of you, are impactful. Couple that with the music, it's no wonder that this song still stands as a dan favourite. I challenge anyone to listen to this song, really listening and raking in the lyrics and the heartbreaking delivery and be unmoved. Especially the last "and, oh, and, oh, and, God knows, that you're standing on you're own". That delivery in and of itself cemented and continues to cement my adoration and love of this remarkable person we call MC. Such a dark place to be in, so perfectly captured, yet always, a hint of hope, of what just might, if what could just might, be. (Wednesday 3 April 2019; 06:35)

Re: Reception (88,952) (88,967) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Anthony, I couldn't have said it any better myself. Thank you for the elaboration. Just to add something to your elaboration. I think the reason why people are starting to appreciate Mariah, is that she is on the level of Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Prince, Madonna, and other greats without having turned her life into a selfdestructive mess. Just think of all the others that has been eaten up by their own success, Amy Winehouse, Kurt Cobain, Justin Bieber, Demi Levato etc. She has stayed away from drugs as coping mechanism, and she hasn't developed an anti social personality disorder like Madonna. People have critisized Mariah for her divaness, crazy statements, too lavish lifestyle. But I think people are starting to realise that Mariah is one of the few greats that has actually her sh*t together, and her personality has pretty much stayed constant after the late 90's. I think people now think it's an achievement to just be alive considered her level of success, and if that means that we have to listen to crazy statements, witness cooky and odd behaviour, a bit too much chardonnay, well that has just become charming compared to the alternatives. (Wednesday 3 April 2019; 01:57)

Re: The last karaoke (88,953) (88,966) by TJ from Norway Was that a reply to my message? (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 21:38)

Re: The last karaoke (88,954) (88,965) by TJ from Norway Unstable and in need of a psych evaluation? Please keep the discussion professional. Discuss the case, not the messenger. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 21:34)

MC fan collection Germany (88,964) by Caroline from Germany Dear MCArchives team, just as I'm a damn big Mariah fan I'm also a very long follower of your website. Thank you so much for letting us lambs know day by day what's going on with our queen Mariah. I love you. I have a special concern and I hope, you will read my message. Actually I wanted to write a personal message to you but as I couldn't find any contact etc this is the only option I have. When I was 12/13 I became a Mariah fan. And this does not mean I was only listening to her songs, I also started collecting what I was able to get about her. Which means mostly some articles from music magazines etc. I think I stopped buying magazines and collecting this stuff around the Charmbracelet era. But until then, my collection grew to fill about 4 big files with articles about Mariah from German magazines. I also have some promo posters from Butterfly, #1's and Glitter, including a book from the Charmbracelet tour. I kept all this because it means a lot to me. But now I feel I have to let go from certain things in my life and this includes my MC articles collection. I could never ever throw away my collection. Instead, I'd like to give it to someone who will appreciate it and keep it safe for some more years. I'm not sure if you have a material collection from Mariah or if you are only collecting news on your website. But as I am a loyal follower I thought I can just ask you if you are interested in this collection. For further communication I'd kindly ask you to send me a personal message. Hope to hear from you soon, dahhhhling. Greetings from Germany, Caro. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 21:16)

Re: The last karaoke (88,962) (88,963) by Andrew from London, UK Would you call it a Mariah Carey song? It is very obscure, it was not written by her, she says she doesn't like it and it doesn't fit anywhere into her catalogue of the last decade and a half. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 17:33)

Re: The last karaoke (88,960) (88,962) by B from USA What about Almost Home? It has a glorious key change. Mariah Carey-oke has ruined more throats than smoker's cough. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 15:30)

Re: Caution (88,951) (88,961) by B from USA Agreed. Caution is an immediately enjoyable listening experience from start to finish. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 15:22)

Re: The last karaoke (88,958) (88,960) by Andrew from London, UK Mariah's Theme does not have pace. It stops and starts and is sung way too slowly and I dare say somewhat awkwardly. The piano rifts separating the verses is too long and awkward and doesn't fit the song. This is not a good song to sing along to - which was my original point. Whenever You Call is. Lead The Way is a brilliant song but is not sung in a singalong-able way. TTR also suffers from snail-pace whispering and impossible octave screaming at the denouement. And so on and so on. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 14:54)

Re: Bye Bye (88,957) (88,959) by Andrew from London, UK "And you never got to see how good I've done. You never got to see me back at number one." That line is desperately sad and moved me to tears. We all seek approval from our parents. It's very relatable. Unfortunately she then starts talking about teddy bears. Two songs with teddy bears in them in one album. Suffice is to say Mariah had started to get a bit iffy with lyrics around this point. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 14:50)

Re: The last karaoke (88,953) (88,958) by B from USA Mariah's Theme has everything you said it doesn't. 90% of Mariah's songs do. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 14:08)

Re: Bye Bye (88,949) (88,957) by Bill from the UK "I wish that we could spend the holidays together" really, really struck a chord with me and moved me to tears when I first heard it. Such a simple statement, yet absolutely heartbreaking. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 13:16)

For the record (88,956) by Rene from US Oh dear. I'm back mate. Sometimes I visit this messageboard and it reminds me of a junior high class or something like that. I totally love the new "effort" by Mariah. It's called "Caution" and not Prizm. It rhymes with Callous or nation mate etc. I bet Stella is going Mishka bear-ish on the koala bears. Good night my knight. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 12:24)

Re: The last karaoke (88,947) (88,955) by Terna from Nigeria How so? It is a ballad now isn't it? Did you listen to Mariah's description of what a ballad means to her? I think that was around the time of the release of "The Ballads" compilation a podcast I believe. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 10:47)

Re: The last karaoke (88,945) (88,954) by Terna from Nigeria Never said she did, we're fans we know very well that's Brenda's song, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. "Bye bye" is a beautifully written and beautifully sung ballad, you may not like it, but personally I have met many people who aren't into Mariah's music that love that song especially the younger generation. PS: Calling some of her most profound songs "crap" just makes you come across as unstable and in need of a psych evaluation. Take that negative energy somewhere else. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 10:36)

Re: The last karaoke (88,945) (88,953) by Andrew from London, UK Once more you on here completely miss the point of the text. Ballads with crescendo, pace and key change that are worth singing in Karaoke do not include Mariah's Theme or Bye Bye or Supernatural and is just absurd. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 10:01)

Re: Reception (88,948) (88,952) by anonymous from UK What a lovely post, and very true. Sadly most hugely artists are trashed until their starpower begins to wane, as it's always easy to trash the sun that can't be touched. Regardless of what many here might think or say, as time goes on, I think more and more are starting to appreciate Mariah not only for her selling power and talent, but her kooky, eccentric demeanour. I've always found it very endearing, and I've said it before yet it bears repeating - I truly think Mariah is nuts, and I don't lean her bipolar disorder. I think she's slightly unhinged, and I've always found that fascinating and entirely relatable. She is openly eccentric and odd, and that's super amazing. An individual who continues to present so in a world with so much pressure to present as this, that or the other. Anyway, tangent, but great post, and I agree. So proud to be a Mariah lamb, stan and fan. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 03:11)

Caution (88,951) by anonymous from UK Yet again, have to check in and say I'm still listening to this album. When M.AIM was released, I loved it and enjoyed it, and some songs were stand out, but for whatever reason, it fell by the wayside for me very quickly, and it's one of my least revisited albums, although when I listen to it I still love it and see why I enjoyed it so much. Caution, however, as an album, is one that just doesn't leave my mind. It's so short, yet the perfect length; it leaves me wanting more but at the same time doesn't feel incomplete. In that regard, what an annoying album, haha. I love all of the songs (yes, all) individually, however, it truly shines when listened to from start to finish as a whole package. It's an album in the truest sense. It sounds just as great sober as it does drunk, quite the feat. I know this is my opinion, but I'm not over this album and I think it will be a long time till I am. It's a daily listen. The last MC album that had me so hooked was E=MC2, but I can already feel and see from my listening habits that Caution overtakes. MC has what she has almost what she always wanted now - an album of incredible music and moods with critical acclaim. Unfortunately, it has eluded sales, however that I am not surprised about. I, like many of you, believe that she has a surprise breakout hit still left in her, however, I'd take an album of this musical quality over huge hits anyway. I'm sure she feels differently however, as a consumer of the product, I feel I'm surely entitled to expresss this opinion. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 02:55)

Latest lawsuit (88,950) by RibbonB from USA So now the former assistant is being sued by Stella for making racist rants among other atrocities. What a "cluster fluck "of sickos in that camp. It's a long scroll down for the story, but Mimi exposed her kids to a band of nuts. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 02:22)

Bye Bye (88,949) by Randy from USA Ya'll gonna stop hating on Bye Bye. I really like the track, have ya'll listened to the instrumental? Stargate did a really good job. To me it's a hood One Sweet Day. There are two things that make me love the song. The whistle plus the ad-libs that follow it at the end of the song. I scream it to the top of my lungs every time I hear it. The other reason I love it is because it quite personal and about singular experiences she's had. I know I know she's done it with Petals and Sunflowers for Alfred Roy, but so many times she refuses to give specifics about her inspirations because she wants the song to be universal. The only reason y'all hate the song is because it only went to number 19 and it was released instead of Migrate and ya'll feel it stopped the momentum of E=MC2. That's not a reason to call a song a bad song. No one knows what songs will hit or not. But don't call Bye Bye a terrible song. (Tuesday 2 April 2019; 01:02)

Reception (88,948) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Since nobody here is talking about how Mariah is praised in almost every review, then I will. I'm so proud of Mariah when I read the reviews, even though she's not the energetic live artist most superstars are, I think it's very nice to see that she gets the recognition she deserves. Mariah has actually turned into a critics' favourite. When she was here in Oslo three years ago, all the reviews in the newspapers were just so wonderful to read. Mariah has turned into solid live performer with solid concerts. (Monday 1 April 2019; 23:47)

Re: The last karaoke (88,942) (88,947) by Hector from Mexico Supernatural is out of place in that list. (Monday 1 April 2019; 21:15)

Re: The Daydream era (88,938) (88,946) by Stacey from USA This album is and always be my favorite album. It has everything for everyone. Ballads, hip-hop, R&B, Pop, dance remixes, etc. I was 18 when it was released and I'm 41 now. Still sounds so fresh as it did 20+ years ago. (Monday 1 April 2019; 20:39)

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