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Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,675) (85,686) by Edward from USA Brenda K Starr is mad at Mariah because Mariah took her #13 hit and made it a top 5. Mariah also promised she would buy her a house, but Brenda is still waiting. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 21:39)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,685) by 123 from USA I love this list. Especially the clone of original Mariah. I've heard that one float around for years or that the Illuminati have the original Mariah caged somewhere. Maybe they only let her out to sing the records and then lock her back up and let the clone do the concerts -lol. And JLo stole it. You are soooo wrong. It wasn't enough she stole her concepts now she stole her voice too. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 21:31)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,684) by RibbonB from USA Happy birthday. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 21:13)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,675) (85,683) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I get Brenda's anger, I really do but she can't keep expecting Mariah to drop her name every time she makes a public appearance. Like does she expect Mariah to go "Hey, I am Mariah Carey, I was a background singer to the great Brenda K Mart and she helped me get my CD to Tommy Mottola." Mariah has mentioned this story many times but she can't be expected to always mention Brenda everywhere. She might have given Mariah the opportunity to give the demo to Tommy, but Mariah became the legend she is on her own iconic talent. Brenda gave me second hand embarrassment when she thought Kelly gave her a shout out in that "Voice" clip. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 20:40)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,682) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Happy birthday dahlin', have a festive and pip day. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 20:36)

Re (85,669) (85,681) by Shezz from Pk Happy Birthday Licia. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 20:29)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,674) (85,680) by Bill from the UK Haha I know it's like the main one lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 20:24)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,673) (85,679) by Licia from USA Thanks Musicfan and Edward. I voted first thing this morning so bring on my CB party. I want everyone in blonde wigs, Harley Davidson half shirts, and denim booty shorts so we can reenact the I Know What You Want video. Make it happen people. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 19:39)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,675) (85,678) by Andrew from UK The name Mariah Carey will live forever in music history of importance. Brenda K Starr is a footnote. Incidentally, I didn't much take to Mariah's tone betore Emotions and even sometimes during it. Every word-ah ended the same-ah (insert growl). I feel like her voice became melty and less shaky from Music Box onwards. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 19:32)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,675) (85,677) by 123 from USA A lot of artists had projects shelved or were no longer priority once Mariah Carey was released. Her album sold and she had #1 after #1 so she became the priority. If you watch some artists "unsung" episodes, her name comes up a lot. Lisa Lisa got pushed to the back burner once Mariah came out per her unsung episode. It's even happened to Mariah. MIAM was pushed to the back burner in favor to Kanye's Yeezus album and supposedly she got upset and said that she was tired of the label bending to his every whim when she sold way more than he did for the label. A lot of artists in the early 90s felt the Mariah effect and were pushed to the wayside. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 19:19)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,676) by Bill from the UK Happy Birthday Licia. Hope you have a great day and many happy returns. I will play CB in your honour and have my own little CB party this evening. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 19:13)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,668) (85,675) by RibbonB from USA She had a hit with I Still Believe. Mimi recorded it later. About if a one hit wonder. It's regrettable the Tommy didn't handle the situation better, but Mimi seems to get the blame. Brenda might feel that her moment was snatched from her, but that's the way it goes. It wasn't her moment. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:51)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,674) by Randy from USA Bill I love you for the 18 reasons MC's voice doesn't sound like her current single when she sings live but how could you forget ear monitors lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:46)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,673) by Edward from USA Happy Birthday, Licia. I hope you're having a great day. And keep in mind that God rewards with a "Charmbracelet party" to those who vote on their birthdays. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:42)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,669) (85,672) by MusicfanJ from Germany Happy Birthday Licia. Enjoy your day and of course "Charmbracelet". For Bill's list I have no words. Lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:40)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,671) by Andrew from UK That is rather bloody funny. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:39)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,668) (85,670) by Licia from USA Actually she was. Not Mariah famous, but she was known. Lol. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 18:26)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,661) (85,669) by Licia from USA All jokes aside, Edward today is my birthday so I really want that Charmbracelet party. I'm just throwing that out there. I'm dying laughing at Bill's list. There really is an excuse for all 18 number 1's. It's like he just made a new greatest hits tracklisting. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 17:45)

Re: Brenda K Starr mad Tommy / Mariah destroyed her? (85,660) (85,668) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Was Brenda K Mart even famous before Mariah? I genuinely have no clue. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 17:26)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,662) (85,667) by Randy from USA Can I just say I you for this post. MC and fans have been making excuses for her voice for years and no other singer in the world does that. At least not over and over. Let's count em down: It's cold in here (David Letterman 94). They were pumping smoke into the air, Fresh Air Fund benefit (Rosie 97 and Howard Stern 98). Food poisining, MJ's casket, not enough sleep, ear monitors, corset, and now bi-polar. Just on and on and on. At this point, it's kind of funny to me. I can't wait for the next excuse. I'm not mad at MC for the loss, I'm mad for the deceit. I believe something happened before 98 though. After Daydream Tour in Tokyo and before she went on Oprah in 97. I know I know before a hundred of you say it, we're beating a dead horse. It's just that some of us want an explanation not excuses or trickery. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:33)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,664) (85,666) by Deleted from Czech I'm chill as is. It's half jest. People do make excuses for Mariah's poor vocal form (e.g. MJ casket and sabotaged by Tommy), but half of the listed items are perfectly plausible explanations for her vocal decline. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:12)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,661) (85,665) by Bill from the UK Haha yes of course. That can take Migrate's place (the 19th number one). (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 16:11)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,662) (85,664) by Bill from the UK It was written in jest Chris, chill out. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:28)

The Voice (85,663) by Billy from Greece She was wonderful on The Voice. And that moment when she sang two lines from "Praying", wow. It was two or three seconds and yet they show the genius behind her instrument. I can't stop playing that moment. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:28)

Re: Bipolar and vocal issues (85,658) (85,662) by Deleted from Czech You forgot to include the excuse you proposed just recently, Bill, that Mariah could never really sing at all and it was Kelly Price we were hearing all along, making Kelly something of a female Cyrano de Bergerac to Mariah's Christian de Neuvillette I suppose. So make it 19. Not every proposed explanation for Mariah's vocal problems amounts to an "excuse". That's just asinine. Jokes aside, any number of the things you listed can adversely effect the human voice because it is a fragile instrument that is dependent upon the proper functioning of the entire person, physically and emotionally. Alcohol, smoking marijuana and prescription drugs can indeed have a destructive effect upon the voice, and ample evidence of that from reputable sources including medical journals is only an internet search away. Corsets can damage the voice because they create tension around the diaphragm and correct diaphragmatic breathing is essential for a singer. That said, I don't think any of the aforementioned are at the root of Mariah's problems. Believe it or not your physicality and your state of mind are the twin foundations of your singing voice. It's no coincidence that Mariah's vocal abilities peaked when her physicality was free, passionate and uninhibited and have suffered as she has become increasingly tense, disinterested and static while performing... You may sneer at the idea that Mariah's vocal decline is at least partially a result of her emotional state but that only demonstrates your own lack of knowledge of the human voice. Let me illustrate with an example: I'm a classically trained bass-baritone and one of the first vocal exercises I was ever taught involved an actual physical "stumble" while performing an octave leap to a high note... I would let my body go and almost fall to the ground while singing. Sounds absurd, but that's what we did. Why did my coach have me do this? Because I sang with inhibitions and those inhibitions caused anxiety which in turn created muscle tension. The "falling" or stumbling motion is one means of overcoming those inhibitions, you "forget" yourself while falling and discover a new effortlessness. If muscle tension is present while you sing, your voice will suffer. I'd developed bad vocal habits after hemorrhaging my vocal cords singing for a rock band, I sang with fear, it was almost like PTSD for singers. For a long time I believed my voice was trashed for good, but it was still there. On that note, it is my view that Mariah has exhibited the symptoms of Muscle Tension Dysphonia for some time. MTD is a voice disorder which can be triggered by a vocal injury or can be psychological in origin or both. Excerpts from the University of Pittsburgh website: Muscle Tension Dysphonia (MTD) The term "muscle tension dysphonia" is a general term for an imbalance in the coordination of the muscles and breathing patterns needed to create voice. This imbalance can be seen without any anatomical abnormality (primary MTD) or in the presence of an anatomical abnormality (secondary MTD). In the case of secondary MTD, the muscle tension is thought to be the body's natural compensatory process to adjust for the vocal injury. Primary MTD can be associated with stress and anxiety. Recent research has shown that under periods of stress, the muscles that control the voice box become tense. Periods of prolonged muscle tension in the voice box can lead to an incoordination of the vocal control system. Significant stressful life events, such as the loss of a loved one, can cause muscle tension dysphonia as well. Muscle tension dysphonia is a highly variable condition. The most common symptom of primary MTD is a change in voice quality, ranging from mild to severe and it is often associated with pain or discomfort while speaking. The voice can be affected during speaking, singing or both. Often, hoarseness will be associated with an increased effort to talk and subsequent fatigue or tiring of the voice with continued use. Common symptoms associated with MTD: Vocal fatigue Unreliable voice Low, gravely voice Voice breaks Airy or breathy voice Inability to sing Hoarse and rough quality Extra force needed for loud voice Vocal symptoms worsen with stress Inconsistent voice Voice sometimes returns to normal" I've always believed that something catastrophic happened to Mariah's voice in '98, more than just nodules, something that has never been publicly disclosed. Notably her breathing technique and breath support, which had always been stellar, seemed to vanish overnight. You could hear it in her sudden difficulty in accessing her mixed voice and sustaining phrases and in the loss of fluidity in her high register which became staccato and disjointed. Even her speaking voice changed noticeably around that time. Her voice was likely never given a chance to recover because of recording and touring commitments as well as her own bad lifestyle choices. I'm thinking here of the industry parties, the places Tommy tried to keep her away from. That combined with (in all likelihood) the cessation of any singing lessons/regular vocal exercises after leaving Tommy and the emotional problems she was dealing with and you have a perfect storm. I'm of the opinion that things have gotten worse year by year, there was no real "recovery" in the Charmbracelet era, she'd simply learnt to make better use of what voice she had left. Mariah's voice will never be what it once was, it's been too long gone, but there is no doubt in my mind that she could regain something with the right adjustments. I just don't see her making those adjustments, the passion for singing doesn't seem to be there anymore. I don't think it really has been since she started moving in a new creative direction in the late 90's, into music which, let's face it, doesn't really have much of a place for real singers. Her vocal abilities went into freefall almost the moment she made the shift from balladeer to Hip Hop/RnB diva but that's a whole other kettle of fish. I hardly expect anyone here to agree but let's just say that I see the "Honey" single and music video (or maybe even "Fantasy") as the harbinger of Mariah's decline as an artist, the signs that the image and the brand had started to eat away at the art and the person behind it. "Loverboy" was the event horizon. (Tuesday 6 November 2018; 15:00)

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