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Re: Expectation - Estelle and Jussie's Conqueror (66,887) (66,892) by RibbonB from USA The original Empire soundtrack did pretty well as a compilation CD to accompany the runaway hit that the show was in it's first year. I think any new CD will have only moderate success as the show is waning and already jumped the shark last year in only its second season. Mariah's song will be a nice addition if they put one out this year. While Timbaland's music on the show was catchy, it was cheesy. I would never buy it, but a lot of kids did and I think those people are still very enamored with the show. I couldn't stand "Up Down" or "Drip Drop", but still remember them. Timbaland seemed to almost put parody music on the show. Lol. This year's music is not even catchy, IMO. "Conqueror" was not a great song to me, but it certainly filled a spot for the show and got Estelle a bit of interest. Mariah will bring her share of interest back to the show and get a little shine for herself in the process. But Hero was Hero and Mariah does not seem to be writing in that vein any longer. Jussie is a parody of a singer, so there is that. (Friday 30 September 2016; 22:47)

Get real (66,891) by Natalia from Italy If you have to listen to a song over and over again to get yourself to like it, it's not a good song, plain and simple. Also, thank God some of us are realistic and honest about the music, just because she is a mega star, doesn't mean that every song she makes is golden. I will never be one of those people who blindly follow and praise everything she does. In fact, I don't consider myself a "lamb". I'm a human being with a brain, if something is not up to my standards I will speak on it. I love Mariah's good quality music, and always have, but I refuse to support anything, that falls way below the standard of greatness that I know she is capable of. (Friday 30 September 2016; 22:07)

Infamous - I bloody love it (66,890) by John john from UK Its so nice. It reminds me of a K-Ci & JoJo track from the early 90's. It's so cool. I know I've seen some complaints that they want more, well you've had more, she's been giving music since 1990. Get over it and enjoy the new track and quit moaning. (Friday 30 September 2016; 22:06)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,886) (66,889) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I feel the song is OK. I don't loathe it or anything. I think it could have more movement musically and emotionally speaking and I feel the autotune on Jesse's vocals actually detracts from the song rather than elevating it further. With a title like "Infamous" and Empire being a drama series I just felt the song didn't really leave the impact it feels like it calls for. That's just how I felt after hearing it. But, "stabbing Mariah in the back" for feeling a song is just OK seems a little much to me. (Friday 30 September 2016; 21:19)

Songbird supreme? (66,888) by Andrew from UK The song is just frickin' awful. Does the Songbird Supreme have anything left in her? The lambs may scream all they want but there is little evidence that anybody in Mariah's world has a clue what they are doing. But Mariah is to blame. It's her show, it's her ship. There's a reason the captain goes down with the ship: they're the one responsible for crashing the bloody thing. To me, that song shows that she holds her fans in contempt. It doesn't matter what we want. "Fudge you" is the message. "I like it" or "It's a grower" means "It's shit". No, the Beyhive and other artist's fanbases don't critticise this much. But hey have the luxury of not having the galactically messy artist that Mariah has become. (Friday 30 September 2016; 21:06)

Expectation - Estelle and Jussie's Conqueror (66,887) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter When I heard it's going to be song about helping Jussie get his confidence back, I assumed it'll be a strong ballad. I also expected a strong chorus, something you can sing along to which lifts your spirit and give you goosebumps and then have a big climax. Basically I thought it would be great if it was in the line of this song by Estelle, which Jussie and Estelle sang on an episode of "Empire". A song like this written by Mariah could have been the next "Hero". Coming to "Infamous", I feel like this is basically the song Mariah talked about last year when she said she had written a song that she thought would go well for a scene between Lucious and Cookie but back then Lee wanted her to do an acting appearance. So I'm guess Mariah just reworked that same song (since it's less of an uplifting song and more of a romantic song) and then used it for this episode. I listened to the song a couple of times again today and I feel like I don't think it's bad as I thought it was, but it's still not sticking. I can honestly live with the song, but that auto tuned rap just makes me cringe every single time. Like Mariah would say "edit it out, edit it out". (Friday 30 September 2016; 20:13)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,881) (66,886) by 90sMariah from SG Meh. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:51)

Mistake on instagram (66,885) by Lara from Middle East I'm fed up with Mariah's instagram. She now posted a picture of Empire to promote Infamous and tagged the wrong person "jussiemolettE". Please remove the straight A 13 y.o. who can't spell from managing it. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:44)

Infamous (66,884) by Musti from UK I've been listening to it today on repeat. It's not a bad track. I like the darker colours of her voice. The piano riff is quite catchy. I dismissed it yesterday because she hasn't covered any new ground here. It's an ok song but it will likely be a forgettable number in her repertoire. I won't take this as an indication of the new album's sound. Many people see her as not being creative anymore, which is funny for a woman who changed the scene not only with her album cuts but also her R&B and club remixes. I still think she's got that fire in her. I don't think anyone here wants her to go the David Guetta way but she can't continue to make "popular" music unless she reinvents her sound. Evolution of sound should come naturally for an artist of her calibre. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:43)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,875) (66,883) by Bill from the UK I actually do have a degree in music haha. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:41)

Re: Re: Infamous (66,876) (66,880) (66,882) by RibbonB from USA I can't wait to see it withing the context of the whole show. This should be a very cool moment. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:21)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,856) (66,865) (66,881) by RibbonB from USA Now this is a very true statement Licia, "Fans like the Navy and the Beyhive are the reason the music industry has been flooded with so much crap music so I'm glad alot of Mariah fans are not anything like them." I do agree with Sheila that some fans seem to take delight in bashing Mariah, but just ignore those types. A lot of people have valid and well thought out opinions that go beyond bitterness and snark of "Mr. Brexit" or whomever. But that refrain about the Beehive and Navy is just so wack too, especially in light of the fact that they do often promote some of the worst music in generations. Mariah is trying to reach younger fans, while still holding true to her musical roots and interests, it will never please everyone. Lol. (Friday 30 September 2016; 17:04)

Re: Infamous (66,876) (66,880) by B from USA If Mariah had blew she would have blown Jussie away. Keep in mind this is Jussie featuring Mariah or the cast of Empire featuring Mariah. She has yet to upload it to her Vevo and only shared EW's article. (Friday 30 September 2016; 15:11)

Daydream (66,879) by B from USA Yesterday was Daydream's anniversary. Hard to believe it's been twenty one years. Daydream was the first album I ever bought, the album that made me a lamb for life. (Friday 30 September 2016; 15:08)

Infamous is... (66,878) by Lainsky from Philippines Better to stay as a song from that Empire soundtrack and that's it. Well, just my opinion after listening from it for the first time. Who knows it grows in me and my opinion might change but that does not matter anyway. What matters is how the listening public, radio DJs, and music buyers would take it. Sorry but I just terribly miss her Pop with RnB twist sound. (Friday 30 September 2016; 14:57)

Re: These songs represent the real Mariah not Infamous (66,862) (66,877) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia Wholeheartedly agree. I feel like the original post was listing songs that Mariah resents having to record. She's clearly more ODB than she is Westlife. (Friday 30 September 2016; 14:38)

Infamous (66,876) by darrian liu from taiwan Wasn't as good as I expected it to be, but nonetheless an improvement over Infinity. I was pleasantly surprised by how rich and earthy her midrange is, but I wish she could let her vocals roar more, because it seems like she is holding back a bit too much. My problem with this song, aside from the forgettable melody, is that the song never really seems to hit that climax nor does it have a sense of resolution. If there is a good climax the song would have been better, but I like it. Jussie shouldn't have used so much autotune though. (Friday 30 September 2016; 13:53)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,871) (66,875) by Sheila from United States Evidently, most of you dont watch Empire. The song fits perfectly into there just below the radar type hip hop/rnb vein. Some of you have picked the song apart saying she is straining vocally. Do you have a degree in music? No. You don't. You have no idea about vocals. Most of you are just mean and spiteful. Again. The Navy and Beehive would never. This board has become a board for bashing Mariah. (Friday 30 September 2016; 12:27)

Infamous (66,874) by Cassie from Canada Infamous was just released and it is pretty standard but that's okay. Why? It's okay for now because it's for Empire and not for Mariah. It's a whole different point of view and it reminds me of Taraji P. Henson's character and Terrence Howard's because their love is infamous because they've been through thick and thin together. Also we should be thankful that Mariah's lyrics are clear and not breathy and airy or super raspy. The song is straight forward and her voice actually sounds like it's in a good condition and not in a bad one where she's out of breath or cracking. As well as the message of the song because it's not being danced upon and having all the lambs like "WTF" is this about. It doesn't all have to be about vocal gymnastics because nobody in my generation (because I'm 13) value them that much. That auto-tune for Jussie's part needs to cut but besides that it's mature and beautiful song. Why aren't you lambs valuing just vocals and piano with a little beat because it's clean and simple? I bet that when lambs or anybody finally watches it in the show they're going to understand and most likely start liking it because you'll gain an understanding of the setting and where it's coming from. (Friday 30 September 2016; 11:52)

I wonder (66,873) by Edouard from France There is a solo version of "Infamous". I think there is one because Mariah spent time in the studio recording his vocals with hers already recorded. P.S. I actually like the song because it's different. it's not Mariah being "tada here I am". She did it to compliment the show and I think that it does the job. It's [...] one of the best song the show has ever had. Mission accomplished. (Friday 30 September 2016; 11:41)

Re: Infamous is ok (66,856) (66,871) by Bill from the UK I don't think anyone is stabbing Mariah in the back. It's a song, people will either love it, be indifferent, or dislike it. There are songs of Mariah's throughout her catalogue which divide fans. We all love her and want her to have success, but blindly supporting a song just because it has her name stamped on it is madness. Infinity, Why You Mad, and Infamous have, for many, been three duds in a row. Beautiful and MIAM were great, so she is more than capable of her usual high standard. (Friday 30 September 2016; 9:25)

Wendy defends Mariah (66,870) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines So Wendy defended Mariah against Miley's hypocritical rant, saying something like, "you don't talk about 'The Voice' like that" and "Mariah can sing you under the table", and even compared the much, much, much lesser MC to a "carnival act". Well Wendy, thank you, I guess? Nothing's shadier than inconsistency. (Friday 30 September 2016; 8:52)

Producers (66,869) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Every producer in the music industry is known for a signature style or sound it is just we know the Mariah/JD/BMC sound so well we have become weary of it. Take Usher's new album for example he went without the JD/BMC sound and his album is not fareing too well chart wise so I say that to say this no matter who an artist works with the material and art have to connect. Another prime example MC and HB (MIAM) Money and thirsty didn't work, while MC/JD (MIAM) did work "Make it look good, you don't know what to do". So for me it's all about the music, artist, producer and the connection that the music makes with the listener. Hopefully MC just takes her time with this new opus and makes great music and not try and chase what's on the charts. (Friday 30 September 2016; 7:02)

Love Infamous (66,868) by Amiroccan78 from Malaysia B+ for me. Better than Infinity for me though. (Friday 30 September 2016; 6:17)

Infamous (66,867) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Out of respect for the fact that it's been Mariah's first release in over a year, I decided to give Infamous another shot. Now, I can actually make out the verses and the chorus save for that terrible bridge, but not after listening to it first for at least 5 times an hour over the past half-day. I've come to appreciate Mariah sticking to her mid-range, although I feel she might have restrained herself just a tad too much. That being said, at least her voice wasn't as processed or strained as it was on Infinity. But the heft and tone of it, though sounding a bit lazy, is just undeniable. The production is generically dated, and the beat is overly familiar. It's a low key moment, and I hope this is not an indication of her upcoming material. If I'm being optimistic, I'd like to consider this the "U Make Me Wanna" to herald her new comeback. (Friday 30 September 2016; 6:11)

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