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Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)

Re: Change (99,185) (99,186) by RibbonB from USA You specifically referred to Morgan by saying he confirmed that since the divorce she has consumed lots of alcohol, I'm paraphrasing you. You didn't say which divorce, but any fan and many others have seen her with a goblet in hand far too often, so what is he confirming, that she drinks a lot? He specifically said in those Radar interviews that he hasn't seen her without a glass since at least 2001, years after the first divorce. But in reality we don't know how much she drinks, or how many surgeries she has had. It is just all speculation. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 02:17)

Re: Change (99,184) (99,185) by 123 from USA @Bill I was referring to Barbara [sic]. She def had a nose job. A subtle, tasteful one but she def had one (or more) - lol. When you get a nose job they don't go obstructing the air passages. The main reason for any nose surgery is to help with breathing. Not just cosmetic. It's just now become more common that it's done for cosmetic reasons than to help with breathing. Here is an article that further discusses my vantage point. @Ribbon. None of that is opinion based. Rhinoplasties help with breathing. Here is another article specifically discussing that alcohol dries out the chords and will render one incapable of hitting high notes. And I don't like Morgan either. I think he is a horrible human being for selling out his sister's secrets to [...] for a couple dollars just because she cut him off, but nothing he has said has been a lie (yet and that can be proven one way or another). He was right in regards to her bi polar diagnosis, and I'm shocked she didn't sue him for releasing her PHI (personal health information). I may not have been as nice as her, but I understand that the stress of a lawsuit just isn't worth it. (Thursday 16 December 2021; 00:22)

Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)

Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)

Re: Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) (99,182) by Victoria from USA That is not a number one song. I like it, but nope. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 18:04)

Re: Change (99,176) (99,181) by RibbonB from USA It's all opinion about her voice, rhinoplasty, drinking, boob jobs. All hypothetical and speculation. So invoking Morgan's name in the mix doesn't add validity. IMO. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 17:11)

Re: Change (99,162) (99,180) by 123 from USA @TJ from Norway. [Barbra] may have said that but it's not true. Unless you get a Michael Jackson nose where they make it so small, air can't pass through, no plastic surgeon is going to cause an obstruction of the airways. Plus [Barbra] did her a nose job. It's just not that noticeable because it was a very tasteful one. Google [Barbra] Streisand nose job and there are plenty before and after photos of a slightly shorter nose. Lol. Don't believe these celebrities when they say they will never get work done. They all have, do, and will continue to because they are in the limelight. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 15:12)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,179) by 123 from USA @Randy. Glad you are back. It's funny because I am saying the same exact thing you are. And it's not a theory, it's fact. It's been chronicled throughout her career. People blaming it on a nose job which does not affect the chords or a boob job. If that was the case, then Toni Braxton would have lost her voice. Whitney got a boob job too and she didn't lose her voice lol. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:56)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,178) by 123 from USA @Bill. How are you agreeing with Randy when he said the same thing I did? Lol. The exact same thing. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:53)

Re: Change (99,170) (99,177) by 123 from USA @Bill. Nasal where? She was never nasal in the 90s. Her voice was darker and heavier on the first album only. It got lighter after that but it was because the type of music she was singing changed from a very soulful sound on the first record to a more contemporary approach on Daydream. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:52)

Re: Change (99,174) (99,176) by 123 from USA @Ribbon he was referring to Tommy not Nick, he was clear on that. He was like certainty after the breakdown, which Mariah confirmed in the book. They both confirmed it so it's not my opinion. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:49)

Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia If only the song would be included in the debut album, and released as the fifth single after I Don't Wanna Cry. I'm sure it would've reached number one just like the other singles and Mariah would be the first female to have 5 number one singles from one album. Just imagine the video for There's Got To Be A Way be used for Here We Go Around Again. The song fits nicely to be the second uptempo single or sequel to Someday. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:33)

Re: Change (99,167) (99,174) by RibbonB from USA Well that's who he was referring to in that 2013, I believe, video. He referred to Nick by name. And even claimed she drank through the pregnancy. You didn't mentioned the year or the husband. But yeah, I referred to the one he last mentioned. Your opinion, or anyone elses probably holds as much weight as his does on matters of MC though. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 11:05)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,173) by MusicfanJ from Germany That's really a good theory. Sounds very logical. If you think about the reason that MC felt like a prisoner, while finally "free", it all started as you mentioned. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:38)

Re: Change (99,162) (99,172) by MusicfanJ from Germany That's very smart from Miss Streisand. I will never understand how a natural beauty like Mariah could risk and loose her voice because of things that were not necessary. I mean if you have the best voice in the world how can you risk it? Of course every day tea sounds boring, and I don't think sometimes a good glass of wine would be super bad for a voice. But smoke and surgery just no. But yes, it is what it is. Sadly. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:24)

Re: "Dem Burgers" (99,158) (99,171) by Dennis from The Netherlands She is a mom. She has children. She needs to bring food to the table. She isn't pretending to be holier than thou. They reached out to her and they were nice people. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:06)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)

Re: Change (99,163) (99,169) by 123 from USA @Bill. To me, her Daydream voice was the best one. She was even better than all the albums before it. Her high belts because lighter and more metallic and she started to whisper a bit more but not as much as the Butterfly album where it became the main vocal technique she used. The type of music she was singing on the Daydream album was different as well so her vocal approach was different. Her early work had a lot of soul infused so her voice sounded heavier, darker. By Daydream she infused more pop and r&b. So her approach was lighter, airier. I disagree she lost power and got nasally after her surgeries. She had some good vocal moments that rivaled her early work, the consistency and comfort ability in her upper range just diminished because of vice abuse and lack of rest and tons of stress. This VOL performance from the Charmy tour is better than any non dubbed VOL performance from the 90s. There is power, agility range, high belts, sustained belts, low notes, whistle. The only thing I didn't hear is a falsetto note - lol. Her voice sounded full and buttery. Even on this [Jimmy Fallon] clip from 8 years ago, she showed more agility here than in any of her recordings and she didn't sound nasally. Notice though that when she goes to belt on TAOLG, there was a rasp and she quickly switched to a whistle. The rasp has been in the upper register for years but it's more apparent when she doesn't rest and uses vices. Her voice only recently got nasally but I think that's studio trickery masking a bad vocal take. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:57)

Re: Change (99,160) (99,168) by 123 from USA @Robert Anthony. Gladys is correct. Mariah has admitted that she is more of an alto and not a soprano and in the vocal analysis I watched they and Mariah herself have confirmed this. She has a natural low speaking voice and she taught herself how to sing high. That's why she has so much control on the bottom end of her voice because it's where her voice natural sits. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:28)

Re: Change (99,159) (99,167) by 123 from USA @Ribbon, he may be all those things but he was still around after the Tommy divorce. Maybe you meant the divorce with Nick. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:21)

Re: Change (99,165) (99,166) by Bobby A from United States You are an excellent writer, Randy. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 01:09)

Re: Change (99,145) (99,165) by Randy from USA I don't know. MC has used that falsetto/whisper religiously from the start. Listen to the verses of All In Your Mind, Love Takes Time, and Can't Let Go. I think the problem we and the general public had has been the over reliance on it from Rainbow on. Don't forget the obvious lipping of full voice high notes. If MC could really still sing the final adlibs following every climax in full voice, no one would care about the falsetto/whisper. The elephant in the throat has always been the loss of her upper full voice range starting in 1997. I don't think it was a rhinoplasty or the breast augmentation. Mariah said from the beginning she couldn't do massive tours because her voice is sensitive. I have two theories, albeit one is controversial. I think Tommy locking her up in that mansion kept her from smoking, drinking excessively, talking, breathing outside air and laughing. So her voice was cocooned. Get the reference? But once she got freedom she didn't care about the voice anymore. She wanted her youth and years lost living and the voice said, "I'll show you." The other controversial theory I have is an atomic bomb exploded in her throat right before she stepped out on stage to sing Hero on Oprah's show in 1997. Thoughts? (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:56)

Re: "Dem Burgers" (99,158) (99,164) by Victoria from USA Her thinking might be, that people could be grateful for the free food. Grateful people might stream her Christmas music. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:53)

Re: Change (99,157) (99,163) by Bill from the UK Rhinoplasty may or may not impact a voice, the fact is you won't know until after you have had it. Great that yours didn't impact you, but Mariah's clearly did as her voice has never returned to the strong, voluminous, agile voice she had on her first four albums. You can tell on Daydream almost immediately that her voice is thinner and like she's singing with a blocked nose. Yes, she sounded better post breakdown, when presumably she stopped drinking or engaging in other vices, but it never came anywhere close to where it was 1990-1994, and quickly went downhill after the success of TEOM. (Wednesday 15 December 2021; 00:14)

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