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Mariah's version (103,115) by Jamie from UK Just from what she's wearing in that video, the bikini and hot pants, I remember thinking at the time what is she doing. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 10:24) this is a reply to message 103,111

Mariah's version (103,111) by Andrew from the UK This is interesting. I wonder why you believe that since Heartbreaker Remix specifically Mariah's personality has been different? To pinpoint that specific moment in time would not, I think, have occurred to me. I did always think it looked like she had just had new veneers put in: her mouth is held closed a lot and when it's open her facial structure looks very different. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 03:40)

Caution (103,114) by Andrew from the UK I think it now wise for everyone to hope that Caution was Mariah's last album of new material. I am glad people are now more honest about the damage to Mariah's voice but I do not think nearly honest enough. To be blunt: Mariah Carey is a bad singer. There is little point of talking about "current voice" or opining on things Mariah can do to improve how she sounds: her voice is irreparably damaged to the point where she sings badly - if she can even sing at all. I get no pleasure in saying shit like this, truly. It used to make me somewhat sad and that in turn led to anger. But I do recall many years ago blaming Mariah for the decay and I will stand by those words. Given that she has hardly sung a live note above Middle C in well over a decade, there is some wonder to be had at exactly what she has been doing. I can hazard many guesses and they would involve things that none of us should do if we want to not damage our voice. Save for deepthroating Donkey Kong, alcohol and smoking are just about the worst things you can do to your voice. And given Nick Cannon's ability to spread his seed into an array of vapid women, all three vices I would suggest may had their way with Mariah's throat. And this is what really used to piss me off amongst a handful of other things: Mariah Carey ruined her own voice. She didn't take care of it. Neither did Whitney Houston. I would like to think that were I to have been blessed with pipes like that I would have done everything to protect them. But like modern youth vilifying people long since dead for behaviour once considered the norm but now understood to be wrong, it is very easy to make judgement on behaviour when you do not appreciate or even understand the context. Were we to have lived another's life, would we have behaved the same or would we have applied our superior attitude or morality and succeeded where they failed? It is very easy to cling on to virtues when your back is not against the wall. Whether Mariah's personality shift and the negative behaviours that ensued are a direct cause of her losing the ability to sing, or the other way around - or whether the issues were hardware or software - I can say that I have made my peace with the fact that she probably ought to have done a lot more to look after her voice and it is time to stop singing and promote a legacy. I do feel extremely, extremely sorry for Celine Dion who famously looked after her throat, knowing full well that she had been handed the winning ticket, only to now face losing it in, what can only be described as cruel clutch of circumstance. Marcus Aurelius wrote that we should receive things without pride and let go of them without attachment. How very hard that is with the things you love most in the world, eh? The albums must end with Caution. There is no good to be gained from any further exposure of the decay. Absolutely none at all. Meanwhile, back at the ranch: totally loving revisiting the Dreamlover original. Still can't find a live version of her singing the ending like the record, so if anyone knows of one I'll loving you long time. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:28)

Charmbracelet tour (103,113) by Special K from USA I saw Mimi in Concord, Ca. Her voice was flawless. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:18) this is a reply to message 103,085

Charmbracelet tour (103,085) by Jamie from UK Just watching the Charmbracelet tour, I was lucky enough to go to this twice. I remember how great her voice was and watching it back now it's amazing how relaxed she is, considering it wasn't long after the breakdown she has more confidence there than I think she does now, her voice was in good shape and she appeared relaxed and in control. Maybe she was compliant with her meds then having been newly diagnosed who knows but hopefully she can get back to this. (Thursday 27 July 2023; 21:46)

Bliss (103,112) by Special K from USA "Don't laugh. Bliss is on my sex playlist." Wow Randy we could of made some pretty babies to that song. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 04:11) this is a reply to message 103,063

Bliss (103,063) by Randy from USA Don't laugh. Bliss is on my sex playlist. Along with Janet Jackson's Would You Mind. Rope Burn, Toni Braxton's Maybe, Trey Songz Neighbors Know My Name, Janet Jackson's Anytime Anyplace, Usher's Dot.com, Madonna's Justify My Love, Ciara's Promise, Twista's Rain Down on Me, Ashanti's Rescue, Beyoncé's Speechless. TLC's Red Light Special, George Michael's Father Figure. Bliss is the only MC song I can be horizontal with another with. Hey, ya'll promised not to laugh. Check out some of these songs if you don't know them. (Sunday 23 July 2023; 04:26)

Mariah's version (103,111) by Andrew from the UK This is interesting. I wonder why you believe that since Heartbreaker Remix specifically Mariah's personality has been different? To pinpoint that specific moment in time would not, I think, have occurred to me. I did always think it looked like she had just had new veneers put in: her mouth is held closed a lot and when it's open her facial structure looks very different. (Tuesday 1 August 2023; 03:40) this is a reply to message 103,107

Mariah's version (103,107) by Jamie from UK I agree with you I just think sometimes people need to be ready within themselves to make a change. I don't think she doesn't care though, I personally think she's got more mental health issues than we understand, which might be stopping her from living a healthy life all the time. Let's be honest these stars don't live normal lives, they all go a bit crazy after a while. But [you're] right she needs people to tell her too, I'm sure she's well aware of the state of her voice right now, but definitely having someone else to tell her to get her stuff together might help hit home more. Who knows it's difficult to really know what's going on tbh. It's been clear since [Heartbreaker] remix video that something clearly changed in her persona and then the whole breakdown in 2001, she's never been the same Mariah since. We've had good moments but majority of the time she's come across as erratic and distracted, a far call from who she once was. So I think it's more her demons and mental health stopping her from fully getting herself together. And yes it's definitely better that she gets herself sorted than continue to embarrass herself with mediocre performances. (Monday 31 July 2023; 00:50)

Mariah's version (103,110) by Edward from USA Did you just have an epiphany? Of course most of us guys here at MCArchives are not gay. The fact that 99 percent of her male fans love rainbow t-shirts, butterfly hair ornaments and some use MC perfume is pure coincidence. To avoid stereotypes I just use pink three times a week, but keep my MC nail polish collection hidden. (Monday 31 July 2023; 14:55) this is a reply to message 103,109

Mariah's version (103,109) by Nick G from Germany What, not everyone here is gay??? I'm shocked. That's a scandal. (Monday 31 July 2023; 11:09)

Mariah's version (103,109) by Nick G from Germany What, not everyone here is gay??? I'm shocked. That's a scandal. (Monday 31 July 2023; 11:09) this is a reply to message 103,106

Mariah's version (103,106) by Bill from the UK Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43)

Mariah's version (103,108) by Edward from USA Pretty soon we'll be called transphobic, it's the new trend. (Monday 31 July 2023; 01:32) this is a reply to message 103,106

Mariah's version (103,106) by Bill from the UK Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43)

Mariah's version (103,107) by Jamie from UK I agree with you I just think sometimes people need to be ready within themselves to make a change. I don't think she doesn't care though, I personally think she's got more mental health issues than we understand, which might be stopping her from living a healthy life all the time. Let's be honest these stars don't live normal lives, they all go a bit crazy after a while. But [you're] right she needs people to tell her too, I'm sure she's well aware of the state of her voice right now, but definitely having someone else to tell her to get her stuff together might help hit home more. Who knows it's difficult to really know what's going on tbh. It's been clear since [Heartbreaker] remix video that something clearly changed in her persona and then the whole breakdown in 2001, she's never been the same Mariah since. We've had good moments but majority of the time she's come across as erratic and distracted, a far call from who she once was. So I think it's more her demons and mental health stopping her from fully getting herself together. And yes it's definitely better that she gets herself sorted than continue to embarrass herself with mediocre performances. (Monday 31 July 2023; 00:50) this is a reply to message 103,104

Mariah's version (103,104) by Edward from USA When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53)

Mariah's version (103,106) by Bill from the UK Careful Eddie. I referred to the "yaas queen" fans once and got called homophobic. Me of all people lol. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 22:43) this is a reply to message 103,104

Mariah's version (103,104) by Edward from USA When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53)

Mariah's version (103,105) by Bobby A from United States It became apparent to me today maybe MC's damaged to her voice is irreversible now because of her age and the vocal nodules have enlarged. Who knows maybe I am wrong? However, I feel Caution was probably her last album of new material. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 15:20) this is a reply to message 103,098

Mariah's version (103,098) by enwar00 from usa That Love Story acoustic performance is just beautiful, one of my faves, so short and sweet, forgot about it. Can you believe that was 15 years ago? That was a long time ago. I feel like a different person. Looking back now, an acoustic remake album would've been super cool. And she was still in her 30s. Now she's in her 50s. That's a big difference. Maybe her voice just wasn't meant to last. Maybe she's just enjoying her life and kids and hundreds of millions of dollars now. Personally I'm bored of the Christmas stuff. I loved Caution. I guess that was the last album. I'll go play it now. Never say never. Bye. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 04:59)

Mariah's version (103,104) by Edward from USA When she was defrosting leading up to last Christmas, she had ample time to be ready for decent performances during the first few shows, but we saw how unprepared she was. How many wake up calls does she need? The gay pride performance was painful to watch. It seems to be she doesn't really care anymore, which is perfectly fine. I don't see anything wrong with her enjoying the time with her family and retire with dignity. I just don't want her to keep embarrassing herself during these random performances. While the "yass queen" fans love it when she embarrass herself like that, I, instead, feel bad for her and her impressive catalog. She needs real friends who don't lie to her to keep a paycheck coming. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 13:53) this is a reply to message 103,103

Mariah's version (103,103) by Jamie from UK I'd say it's a mixture of both, but deep down all famous people want to still be relevant that's why a lot of them go off the rails so to speak. Hopefully the last few performances have been a wake up call for her. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 11:52)

Mariah's version (103,103) by Jamie from UK I'd say it's a mixture of both, but deep down all famous people want to still be relevant that's why a lot of them go off the rails so to speak. Hopefully the last few performances have been a wake up call for her. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 11:52) this is a reply to message 103,102

Mariah's version (103,102) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway You think the version at the Garmmy Nomination was awful? And what do you mean it was prerecorded and lipped? You can clearly see on Mariah's face that she sings most of it live. Some parts are lipped, yes, but those eye brows movements she can never replicate when she is lip synching, it's live for the most part. Mariah has to make decision in her life, to get healthier, work on her voice, if she really wants to impress people again. Or she can do whatever she's doing right now, and not being able to sing the easiest songs live, lip almost everything of every song. I don't know if she is content with status quo, living the best life with her kids. I have a feeling ever since she was married with Tommy Mottola, that practicing, rehearsing has become something that only bring out bad memories, that she has simply quit doing it, because she was forced to while married. But come on, it's been 25 years, time to move on. I just can't fathom that a person who was once known as one the best singers in the world, with an unbelievable range, can be happy with not being able to sing a tune anymore. Or I'm wrong, maybe she's just over it. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 10:46)

Mariah's version (103,102) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway You think the version at the Garmmy Nomination was awful? And what do you mean it was prerecorded and lipped? You can clearly see on Mariah's face that she sings most of it live. Some parts are lipped, yes, but those eye brows movements she can never replicate when she is lip synching, it's live for the most part. Mariah has to make decision in her life, to get healthier, work on her voice, if she really wants to impress people again. Or she can do whatever she's doing right now, and not being able to sing the easiest songs live, lip almost everything of every song. I don't know if she is content with status quo, living the best life with her kids. I have a feeling ever since she was married with Tommy Mottola, that practicing, rehearsing has become something that only bring out bad memories, that she has simply quit doing it, because she was forced to while married. But come on, it's been 25 years, time to move on. I just can't fathom that a person who was once known as one the best singers in the world, with an unbelievable range, can be happy with not being able to sing a tune anymore. Or I'm wrong, maybe she's just over it. (Sunday 30 July 2023; 10:46) this is a reply to message 103,101

Mariah's version (103,101) by Bill from the UK The monstrosity that appeared on Apple's Magical Christmas. Although 2008 at the Grammy's was also awful, how I wish she'd be able to sing like that now. Even though it later transpired it was a re-recorded version she, of course, lipped to. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 21:29)

Mariah's version (103,101) by Bill from the UK The monstrosity that appeared on Apple's Magical Christmas. Although 2008 at the Grammy's was also awful, how I wish she'd be able to sing like that now. Even though it later transpired it was a re-recorded version she, of course, lipped to. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 21:29) this is a reply to message 103,097

Mariah's version (103,097) by Bobby A from United States Are you referring to the Apple TV Plus or the Grammys Nomination performance remake? Either way, neither one compares to the flawless original. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 02:12)

Mariah's version (103,100) by Jamie from UK I'd say never rule her out. Yes her voice is what it was but at times with got hints of it back in better form. I think it's her own doing as in not looking after herself, drinking and smoking. Maybe if she was to pull out all the stops. Clean up and get some serious vocal coaching and medical expertise I'd like to think we could get better quality vocals. Maybe now she's focusing, she's lost a lot of weight recently so who knows she might be realising if she doesn't do something now then it's over. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 20:08) this is a reply to message 103,091

Mariah's version (103,091) by Bobby A from United States Taylor Swift just recently released Speak Now Taylor's Version. She is definitely a business woman. I wish MC would re-record more of her most famous songs and her favorites that didn't get much love on the radio or albums. She could do it with the right producer. (Friday 28 July 2023; 16:01)

Mariah's version (103,099) by TJ from Norway I talked about the same many years ago, when Alanis Morissette re-released her debut album as an acoustic album. Sadly she didn't do it then. I really don't think she will able to do it now. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 12:44) this is a reply to message 103,098

Mariah's version (103,098) by enwar00 from usa That Love Story acoustic performance is just beautiful, one of my faves, so short and sweet, forgot about it. Can you believe that was 15 years ago? That was a long time ago. I feel like a different person. Looking back now, an acoustic remake album would've been super cool. And she was still in her 30s. Now she's in her 50s. That's a big difference. Maybe her voice just wasn't meant to last. Maybe she's just enjoying her life and kids and hundreds of millions of dollars now. Personally I'm bored of the Christmas stuff. I loved Caution. I guess that was the last album. I'll go play it now. Never say never. Bye. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 04:59)

Mariah's version (103,098) by enwar00 from usa That Love Story acoustic performance is just beautiful, one of my faves, so short and sweet, forgot about it. Can you believe that was 15 years ago? That was a long time ago. I feel like a different person. Looking back now, an acoustic remake album would've been super cool. And she was still in her 30s. Now she's in her 50s. That's a big difference. Maybe her voice just wasn't meant to last. Maybe she's just enjoying her life and kids and hundreds of millions of dollars now. Personally I'm bored of the Christmas stuff. I loved Caution. I guess that was the last album. I'll go play it now. Never say never. Bye. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 04:59) this is a reply to message 103,092

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02)

Mariah's version (103,097) by Bobby A from United States Are you referring to the Apple TV Plus or the Grammys Nomination performance remake? Either way, neither one compares to the flawless original. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 02:12) this is a reply to message 103,095

Mariah's version (103,095) by Bill from the UK I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. (Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47)

Mariah's version (103,096) by Edward from USA Had she sung it live, it would've been fine with me The fact that was the best she could do in the studio, It's very telling. I hadn't ever watched it before you mentioned it. I wish I hadn't. (Saturday 29 July 2023; 01:00) this is a reply to message 103,095

Mariah's version (103,095) by Bill from the UK I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. (Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47)

Mariah's version (103,095) by Bill from the UK I don't think I can forgive her for that hideous remake of "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". What was she thinking? The 1994 version is faultless. (Friday 28 July 2023; 23:47) this is a reply to message 103,092

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02)

Mariah's version (103,094) by Edward from USA Robert, I don't know if you have noticed, but Mariah is struggling even in her whisper register. I know her whisper register is not an easy one to tackle, but she's been struggling in all the facets of her voice. When you see an artist dodging notes, relying heavily on their backup singers, pre-recorded tracks, and expecting the audience to sing for them those notes they can't, it is a signal that something is deeply wrong. She's had an amazing career and she'll always have Christmas, but the Mariah we knew, yes, that Mariah post prime, is also gone. I've always thought she could get better should she discipline herself and put in the work, but that's up to her. I'm looking forward to Christmas now. She's the queen. Hopefully next year she'll surprise us all. (Friday 28 July 2023; 22:42) this is a reply to message 103,093

Mariah's version (103,093) by Bobby A from United States Edward, are you saying MC's career over? She can lower the key to fit her current voice. I wish she would collaborate more with Nashville producers like Tedd T and David Garcia who probably could help her craft different versions of her catalogue or just a new song with her current voice. (Friday 28 July 2023; 20:47)

Mariah's version (103,093) by Bobby A from United States Edward, are you saying MC's career over? She can lower the key to fit her current voice. I wish she would collaborate more with Nashville producers like Tedd T and David Garcia who probably could help her craft different versions of her catalogue or just a new song with her current voice. (Friday 28 July 2023; 20:47) this is a reply to message 103,092

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02)

Mariah's version (103,092) by Edward from USA Mariah is definitely not in a good place vocally to accomplish what Taylor is doing while she's still super popular. She should've done something like that back in 2010-2013, but I guess that ship has sailed. This is just beautiful. Had she re-worked some of her hits around this time, she would've come out a winner. Sadly, Mariah can't sing two words straight these days. It is sad, but evidenced by her last performance, it is true. (Friday 28 July 2023; 19:02) this is a reply to message 103,091

Mariah's version (103,091) by Bobby A from United States Taylor Swift just recently released Speak Now Taylor's Version. She is definitely a business woman. I wish MC would re-record more of her most famous songs and her favorites that didn't get much love on the radio or albums. She could do it with the right producer. (Friday 28 July 2023; 16:01)

Mariah's version (103,091) by Bobby A from United States Taylor Swift just recently released Speak Now Taylor's Version. She is definitely a business woman. I wish MC would re-record more of her most famous songs and her favorites that didn't get much love on the radio or albums. She could do it with the right producer. (Friday 28 July 2023; 16:01)

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