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Re: Last really good vocalist (99,376) (99,384) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Ya, I would agree Christina is the last to be a vocalist in the vain of The Vocal Holy trinity. I'd say Nicole Scherzinger is extremely vocally underrated; she can hit those Mariah/Ariana whistle knows too. Her problem is her content is weak in displaying what she can actually do with her voice (check out Todrick Halls ft. Nicole: Show Off, she gets that vocal height) I'm a huge Ariana fan, and I'm so curious to see how her voice ages over the next decade. (Thursday 6 January 2022; 19:33)

Re: Last really good vocalist (99,382) (99,383) by MusicfanJ from Germany So true, really a legue of their own. Kelly Clarkson is defintely a powerhouse with her voice. I forgot Leona Lewis. Her debut has a "Mariah sound". (Thursday 6 January 2022; 19:14)

Re: Last really good vocalist (99,381) (99,382) by Stacey from USA You took the words right out of my mouth. I was just about to post about this. I think Kelly has a great voice. Same level as MC? No way. But she's good in her own right. I'd also say Carrie Underwood has a powerful voice in the world of country music. There's a reason, though, while we call MC, Whitney, and Celine the vocal trinity. There in a league of their own. (Thursday 6 January 2022; 16:50)

Re: Last really good vocalist (99,377) (99,381) by Ryan from USA How about Kelly Clarkson? I don't believe she gets the recognition she deserves. Her voice is powerful and agile. I would put her ahead of Christina and Ariana. (Thursday 6 January 2022; 12:51)

Article: Mariah Carey's annual Christmas cash in ends (99,380) by Mara from United States Well, he was a little premature in his feelings in his little article now wasn't he? Seeing that she secured another week at number one. Sorry Roger, you couldn't send Mariah back that quickly this year. What a miserable person he is. He is no spring chicken might I add. Despite how he ages women. (Thursday 6 January 2022; 05:05)

School Gyrls (99,379) by Bobby A from United States On the School Gyrls's song, Get Like Me, MC does not receive any background vocal credit on the song. However, it's truly evident that she is singing on the song she co-wrote. Am I right? I wonder how many other songs she ghosted on. Don't Go Looking For Love? Last Chance? Head Over Heels? (Wednesday 5 January 2022; 20:16)

Re: Last really good vocalist (99,376) (99,378) by Bobby A from United States I would say Jazmine Sullivan, but she doesn't get the recognition she deserves. (Wednesday 5 January 2022; 16:32)

Re: Last really good vocalist (99,376) (99,377) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Is it because that image is more important than talent these days?" Yes, I think so. "Or [were] we just very lucky, the ones who are live today, to have witness three extraordinary vocalists like those three." That's also true. We (the y-generation) hit the jackpot musically. As sh.. as the times are today, so is the music. Sorry but that's what comes to mind. The last good vocalist, that's a good question. I would choose Christina Aguilera, Alicia Keys when they started, and well a big suprise: Adele. But there's no more "new Mariah" on the horizon and I guess never will. So we are very lucky to have witnessed all the true superstars like Whitney, Michael, Celine and the one only Miss Mariah Carey. (Wednesday 5 January 2022; 16:26)

Last really good vocalist (99,376) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Just a question: is Christina Aguilera the last really talented and good singer? Ariana Grande almost [has]the same register as Mariah, but I feel Aguilera is more of a raw vocalist. Another question: it has been 32 years since a really great vocalist has debuted, and we all know that's Mariah. Will there ever be as good of a singer as Mariah, Whitney or Celine ever again? What is the reason that there hasn't been a female vocal goddess after 1990? Is it because that image is more important than talent these days? Or [were] we just very lucky, the ones who are live today, to have witness three extraordinary vocalists like those three, is it like the chance of life itself, we just hit the jackpot with three extremely talented singers being alive and active at almost the exact same time? (Wednesday 5 January 2022; 15:39)

Re: Never Forget You (99,373) (99,375) by Edward from USA I haven't ever seen Walter as a savior or anything, but one thing we can say it's the fact they had great chemistry and it translated into whatever they collaborated in. Mariah and Walter created music that by themselves they haven't been able to replicate. It's like the perfect cast for a TV show. The only times Mariah has kind of recreated some of that feel is when she's written the bulk of the songs herself. While Mariah has had success after Walter, Walter has also had success after Mariah too. Artist usually are at the forefront, and producers and writers are actually on the background, and nobody ever mentions them. (Wednesday 5 January 2022; 03:35)

AIWFCIY (99,374) by Pedro from Brazil It's #1 for a third week. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 23:08)

Re: Never Forget You (99,369) (99,373) by RibbonB from USA Edward , it's only the fourth day of the year lol. And Walter's post Mimi records are trash. He's not her savior, he just happened to be there at the apex of her career. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 22:46)

Re: Never Forget You (99,370) (99,372) by Bill from the UK "Oh, OK. I'm sorry." Apology accepted. "I forgot this music industry is all about women and how they are treated respectfully and honored." Exactly. Mariah is one of the most highly awarded artists out there. As are Beyonce, Whitney, Adele, Celine, Alicia etc. Pioneering women in the industry such as Aretha, Carole King, Tina Turner etc. have had shows dedicated to them and Broadway shows written about their careers. Sometimes people look for problems that simply aren't there. "How they can dress the way they want, how they can age the way they want and how they can eat the way they want. I guess I really didn't hear myself." That's understandable. After all, nobody has told Mariah what to wear since 1997. People are allowed to state whether her outfits look good or not, as they do with anybody. Mariah has looked flawless, elegant, and incredible on countless occasions. She has also, every so often, chosen outfits that do not do her justice. The leotard phase during the Nightmare Era is a good example of that, or when she chose to wear lingerie in public. "This things never happened. Imagine someone coming on the board and saying Mariah can't talk on interviews or how Mariah's dresses are making her fat and the urgency we have for a man to take control over her. Imagine that. We should all petition for Mariah's conservatorship to begin since she can't handle shit. Walter and Tommy should be her conservators." This is a really stupid statement and I think even you know that. Mariah's most successful points in her career was when she was guided and managed by men. That's a fact and there's nothing you or I can do about that. Her management under Stella was awful. Would you rather Stella over LA Reid simply because she's a woman? Come on now. Tommy and LA were businessmen who treated the industry as such. Mariah is a creative who is best left to oversee and manage the creative element of her career. What is wrong with that? It has clearly worked in the past. If an equally competent female manager was to appear on the scene I'd be as delighted as the next person. Mariah has said she's working with a man she's worked with in the past so she is clearly happy and comfortable about that. Why you and Nikki have turned this into a witch hunt against Walter Afanasieff is beyond me. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 21:12)

Re: Never Forget You (99,369) (99,371) by Bobby A from United States Stop it Edward. Lmao. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 21:03)

Re: Never Forget You (99,368) (99,370) by Carlos from Brazil Oh, OK. I'm sorry. I forgot this music industry is all about women and how they are treated respectfully and honored. How they can dress the way they want, how they can age the way they want and how they can eat the way they want. I guess I really didn't hear myself. This things never happened. Imagine someone coming on the board and saying Mariah can't talk on interviews or how Mariah's dresses are making her fat and the urgency we have for a man to take control over her! Imagine that! We should all petition for Mariah's conservatorship to begin since she can't handle shit. Walter and Tommy should be her conservators. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 17:44)

Re: Never Forget You (99,368) (99,369) by Edward from USA Nikki keeps putting on new wigs, and you keep snatching them off, including her weaves. We all know by now Nikki tend to farts "facts" out of her behind. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 17:25)

Re: Never Forget You (99,366) (99,368) by Bill from the UK "Mariah is always treated here like an incapable person and her talent are always diminished because she is a woman. She is always in need of a man to 'keep her in track' or to get a hit. Even suggesting Tommy to come back." I've never seen anyone do that. I think l, as fans, we all recognise Mariah's talent as a singer and a songwriter. But to completely attempt to erase one of her key collaborators from the past simply because you don't like him is immature. Most of Nikki's posts are made up, speculative rants with no sources, truth or integrity behind them and someone needs to bring everything back down to earth sometimes. No one here has ever diminished Mariah, and certainly if people have criticised her, it wouldn't be just because she is a woman. Honestly, can you hear yourself? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:24)

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,367) by Bill from the UK "If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore." Tell that to Adele lol. "Mariah was 'asked to choose'? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter." Not true. If you read the memoir, Mariah goes into detail about how her writing partnership with Margulies ended, and it was because of the contract he had made her sign which he refused to be bought out of. Mariah then had to find another collaborator from the debut line up. She indicated in later years that she did not work well with Narada Michael Walden, and also felt Ric Wake and Rhett Lawrence overproduced the songs, and that the demos were better, so opted to work with Walter for the Emotions album, and C&C Music Factory were suggested by the record company for the other half of the album. "Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY?" I don't know what this has to do with anything. I didn't state Walter wrote more or less of the songs in my post. I don't think your statement is true about Mariah writing songs solo, can you provide your source for that? To my knowledge the only solo Mariah composition is the Vulnerability interlude on Rainbow. Mariah cannot play an instrument competently enough to be able to write solo, and she has stated this several times. Part of AIWFCIY's appeal is the music programming, for which Walter was entirely responsible. "The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter." Um, he co-wrote all of them with her. "How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left?" Walter's post-Mariah accomplishments have been listed on this website many times, and his Wikipedia page tells you that he is an incredibly successful songwriter and producer to this day. Successful hits that had Walter's involvement: Love Takes Time, Can't Let Go, I'll Be There, Dreamlover, Hero, Without You, Anytime You Need a Friend, Endless Love, All I Want for Christmas Is You, One Sweet Day, Open Arms, Butterfly, My All. That is pretty much a list of Mariah's signature tunes, minus We Belong Together. "After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right?" I think Walter has a bit more clout in the industry than a reactor on YouTube. Happy New Year. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 16:18)

Re: Never Forget You (99,365) (99,366) by Carlos from Brazil Good words Nikki. Mariah is always treated here like an incapable person and her talent are always diminished because she is a woman. She is always in need of a man to "keep her in track" or to get a hit. Even suggesting Tommy to come back. This is pure misogyny. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 11:58)

Re: Never Forget You (99,320) (99,365) by Nikki from usa If you'll recall - the public doesn't buy anymore. Mariah was "asked to choose"? Seriously? She didn't approve of Ben's removal and had no association with Walter prior to Tommy setting him up with her according to Walter. Do we also recall that Mariah primarily did the songwriting? Or the fact she wrote several songs solo, but Walter automatically got a writer's credit? Or was he sleeping with Mariah and Tommy when she wrote Looking In? What of the fact Mariah states in her book that Walter only helped write the bridge of AIWFCIY? The songs Mariah likes has little to do with Walter. How many gospel tracks has Walter done since MC? You'll also notice how most of the songs you listed weren't singles and only a few hits with Walter were successful. Remind me, how many years of success did Walter have after Mariah left? After all, if people on YouTube don't represent today's public, than Walter's numbers should reflect how much the public truly loves his work, right? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 07:38)

Re: Vogue - top 17 looks (99,325) (99,364) by Nikki from usa Obviously, I don't know if you're a boy or a girl. I will say ta tas have a much different look peering down than in a mirror. Sometimes you look down and it seems like a little cleavage, but you see it head on and it tons more from the frontal view. You'd think everyone would see in front of a mirror before leaving, but that's not always the case. MC has a problem with clothes not arriving on time and then having to haul ass. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 07:17)

Re: MC and Janet song? (99,361) (99,363) by T from USA It's fake. (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 02:46)

Re: Vinyls (99,359) (99,362) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I was super impressed with the presentation of The Rarities Vinyls package as well. My MOAIA is that awesome boxset, and The Rarities lived up to that standard (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 01:14)

MC and Janet song? (99,361) by Bobby A from United States This was found out on the internet today. Did anybody know that MC and Janet wrote a song together with Henry Humes called If I Could Count The Stars? (Tuesday 4 January 2022; 00:50)

Re: Vinyls (99,359) (99,360) by Bobby A from United States The Rarities on vinyl is actual a rarity itself now. Lol. The prices on eBay and Amazon are outrageous. I am glad that all who purchased a copy in 2020 including myself got one at a reasonable price. The 12's are going for an outrageous price too on eBay. I need to go onto Fye's Mix and Burn website and order all of the Memoirs, MIAM, and Caution remixes on a mix and burn CD. I don't know why I haven't done it yet. We are all waiting on some more goodies from her store. (Monday 3 January 2022; 20:57)

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