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Re: Condolences (99,061) (99,065) by Stacey from USA I was just about to post about this. Rest in peace little one. Condolences to the family. (Wednesday 8 December 2021; 01:40)

I stopped by to talk about... Drake? (99,064) by Randy from USA Hey everyone: Eric, Robert-Anthony, Edward, Jade, Hilton and even RJ112 and Terna. I still see what's going on here every now and then but I'm not invested as much in MC. She's moving in a different direction than I am, you know 60 pound dresses, McDonalds promos in the middle of the ocean and remakes of her remakes that sound like an alien singing in auto tune. What's next, a cookie line? Anyway. I said I'm gonna be more positive. I gotta give it to Drake for withdrawing himself from the Grammys. On the surface it seems like a pretty pampered suburban boy thug whining. But in actuality we have been saying this for years. I love Bonnie Raitt but how could she beat MC for best pop female vocal for Emotions in 1991? There has never been a vocal that ridiculous on wax. And it's not just the whistles. Listen to the low note at the bottom of the last run. Listen to the high full voice adlibs. It's insane. I don't quite think it's a New Year's Eve song though. It brings down the mood. 1996 was a tough year for Grammy voters and I love Kiss From A Rose, I Apologize and Jagged Little Pill but some obscure track from Annie Lennox over Fantasy? Those aren't sweet dreams. Or sweet Daydreams or sweet Fantasies. That selection really happened. 2005 was the ultimate diss. Firstly, I'm an older fan, not necessarily a lamb, more like a butterfly in a wool coat. But I remember leading up to the Grammys, the critics predicting MC was going to win because the Grammys love a comeback story. The critics said U2 deserved to win because they had the better album but Mariah would prevail. Then MC went through all that late night memorizing where the pasted studio raspy vocals that matched her live texture were cued and the audience, respecting seeing her sweat, gave her a standing ovation. Eric I swear I have a point. Indulge me a little. I was beat up mercilessly for my analysis in 2006 on this board, by the way, and now everyone knows that that performance was a masterful dice job. Anyway back to the 2006 Grammies. Now years later, after Kanye peed in his Grammy and Drake has thrown up deuces, the critics are listing the 2006 Album of the Year snub as one of Grammys gravest errors, pointing out U2 doesn't even perform songs from How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb. Something smells fishier than Florence SC. Home of the fish sandwich. Only wool crusted butterflies would get that reference. Andrew if you're out there, I hope you're well. Everyone else, I love this board and I just have to ask, did ya miss me? (Wednesday 8 December 2021; 01:30)

Re: Debut Mariah (99,062) (99,063) by Jamie from UK Yeah but as we've shown she got herself back between 2005-2010 she was very humble again and grounded. All I'm saying is at the moment and for a while she's taken on this whole persona. I'm not asking for debut Mariah back that would be silly as times change, yes people do change but they still retain elements of who they are. To me it's like she's lost all of who she once was. I love Mariah and always will but I'd love her to take time out to find herself again like she was in the video Bill shared, humble grounded and in touch with reality. (Tuesday 7 December 2021; 22:01)

Debut Mariah (99,062) by Tyler from United States For everyone who wants the old Mariah back. That ship has sailed. For a superstar of Mariah's caliber, she's about as normal and down to earth as you're ever going to get. Think of the others that were/are her true icon-level peers (Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Madonna). You don't soar to those heights and stay the same person. Add the upbringing to the super fame and you get what you have. Lambs are lucky she does as well as she does. I think she's perfect. (Tuesday 7 December 2021; 18:28)

Condolences (99,061) by RibbonB from USA To Nick Cannon and family, for losing this youngest child, Zen, to brain cancer. Tragic. (Tuesday 7 December 2021; 18:25)

AIWFCIY (99,060) by Bobby A from United States It rises on the Hot 100 chart from 12 to 3 (see: Mariah Carey back to top 10). Adele is holding #1 for another week. (Tuesday 7 December 2021; 13:48)

Re: Me thinking again (99,051) (99,059) by Bobby A from United States I understand better now, Edward. She needs a young songwriter, producer, and vocal coach like Madicin. Check out his songs on Kenny Lattimore's Here To Stay. This young man is the Babyface of today. (Monday 6 December 2021; 23:38)

Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,057) (99,058) by Jamie from UK Now that's Mariah. She is exactly the same there as she was in her early days. That's the Mariah she needs to reconnect with. (Monday 6 December 2021; 23:24)

Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,056) (99,057) by Bill from the UK Well put Jamie. She hit that balance when she married Nick. I've posted this before, but this is one of my most favourite Mariah interviews. She seemed in such a good place, was relatable, down to earth and friendly, funny, engaged, looked great and just seemed very self assured but also unassuming. Exactly where a singer of her accolades should be. (Monday 6 December 2021; 22:55)

Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,050) (99,056) by Jamie from UK I agree Bill, whilst I've come to accept the MC of present I've always wondered what happened to that soulful singer of the early days. She didn't even need to try and be cool she just was. I get Sony made her dress certain ways but they can't control her personality. Even in the Butterfly era she was still herself just a bit more confident but that worked too. Something serious happened around the time before and after her breakdown as like you say it's like it's a completely different person. I did think she got close to being herself again during Emancipation and E=MC2 but after that I feel something went wrong again. I know she has her mental health struggles but surely she must look at those early days and think she's so disconnected from that person. I'm not expecting her to have curly hair tied up and skipping around a field like in Dreamlover again but I think she needs to reconnect with her earlier self and loose the whole diva act, it hasn't been working for sometime now so instead of letting go of her inner child I think she should think about letting go of this persona she's created. Loose the divaness, look good but don't get hung up about it and just connect with people better. Dare I say it but Jennifer Lopez is glam looks great but when she speaks to interviewers she's so natural and down to earth you don't say where's the Jennifer from on the 6 because it's the same person. It's easy for us to comment I guess we don't really know Mariah but I think deep down we all know she's capable of better and like I said Sony may have said she could say certain things back then but her personality was all hers and that must be still in there somewhere. (Monday 6 December 2021; 21:54)

McDonalds (99,055) by Myles from CT, USA The Mariah shirt at McDonalds is instantly iconic. (Monday 6 December 2021; 18:25)

Re: Me thinking again (99,051) (99,054) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Those lyrics and productions must improve dramatically." I hope so too. I don't expect 90ies quality as well, luckily we can listen to those magic songs over and over again. But real musicians would make a big difference indeed. Not only a "cool" producer. One can dream. (Monday 6 December 2021; 18:12)

I love the Filac remixes (99,053) by Dennis from The Netherlands Before people start to spread their negativity again. (Monday 6 December 2021; 16:43)

Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,049) (99,052) by Edward from USA The airiness her whistle had hear was amazingly beautiful. Her whistle now doesn't sound like that at all. (Monday 6 December 2021; 16:00)

Re: Me thinking again (99,046) (99,051) by Edward from USA My dear Robert-Anthony, it doesn't have anything to do with Walter. Mariah's natural voice, accompanied by a very skilled pen game, was what set her apart from the rest. The whistle notes were used to adorn some songs here and there. Different from many other artists that could whistle, Mariah didn't need the whistle to create a beautiful song because her natural voice alone was simply phenomenal. As her voice started to deteriorate, the whistle trick started being used more and more. Her constant strained whispering is not pleasant to the ear anymore, at least not to mine, and her whistle alone just don't cut it. Mariah put quality albums out every year during the 90's, with left over songs that could've been in any album not as fillers, yet she has nearly two years of no touring, resting her voice, and we cannot get one decent song from her. I think it's time for her to collaborate with real musicians. Let's say "One Child", to me is a song beautifully written and sung, but whom did she collaborate with, with Broadway composer Marc Shaiman.This man wasn't probably in the booth with Mariah and her posse clowning around smoking weed. "Almost Home" is a song anybody could swear she wrote when she had very little input on it, but it was very well received and her vocals were comparable to any of her 90's stuff. I know she cannot get her voice back and nobody is expecting that, but dear, those lyrics and productions must improve dramatically. (Monday 6 December 2021; 15:56)

Re: Who's loving you / debut era (99,049) (99,050) by Bill from the UK Funny, I was on my way to share this as well. All we had previously was a tiny snippet of MC and the backing singers on the stairwell from The First Vision video, so hearing this, with those gorgeous whistles and the agile and full-bodied 1990 vocals, is such a joy. CBPCH 2021 version is sung by a completely different person it seems, doesn't it? (Monday 6 December 2021; 15:47)

Who's loving you / debut era (99,049) by MusicfanJ from Germany Have you heard this? I think it's just a rehearsal by Mariah and her fabulous background singers at that time. Sounds like year 90. I love it. All her background singers were so great too. They sounded more natural and soulful than Khalil on the new Christmas song. (Monday 6 December 2021; 13:58)

Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,047) (99,048) by Dennis from The Netherlands Thank you. People should be making Baby, Please Come Home a number one instead of wining. She and the song deserve it. (Monday 6 December 2021; 13:46)

Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,044) (99,047) by Chicago Lamb from USA You guys are looking at "The Magic Continues" wrong. Think of it as a promo for FILAC. That's one hell of a platform to promote a new song, don't you think? And don't be surprised if Mariah shows up every year on Apple+ or an equivalent to promote a new song. Star power. BPCH wasn't bad at all with the band and production. Ya'll need to stop obsessing over her tone. Happy holidays everyone! (Monday 6 December 2021; 04:06)

Me thinking again (99,046) by Bobby A from United States Sitting here thinking why MC has to put whistle notes in every dog gone song. Is it a true observation to say that when she collaborated with Walter A. that his mellow and melodic chords kept her from even trying to come with song parts to fit in some whistle notes. Maybe too many whistle notes in every recording session has ruined her voice than anything. Have many of you remember Debelah Morgan? She knew when to put in whistle notes in the right song. MC overcompensates her ability to whistle. Just my thoughts today. I guess no live Christmas program this season. Lol. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 23:10)

Just watched (99,045) by Jamie from UK Ok I've just watch the magic continues. Whilst I liked it I can't help think what was the point with 2 songs. The interview was pointless really. I'd love to see a dressed down Mariah doing an interview, she's so wooden I'd like to see if there's any of the early Mariah still in there, the one that was quirky in interviews and relaxed. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 21:21)

Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,042) (99,044) by Bobby A from United States Well, we can say one thing about this Christmas season. MC is crushing Spotify numbers with BPCH, AIWFCIY, and FILAC. FILAC has a good chance to make the Urban Top 20 in two weeks with the increased radio spins and Target Exclusive CD sales. I believe she is going to deliver some special gifts in 2022. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 21:01)

Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,034) (99,043) by Jamie from UK I don't think it's too bad, it's by no means perfect, her voice is changed, but she's working with what she has now. We can't expect her to be perfect like she was back in the day. I'm just grateful she's still around and able to do these prime time shows for us. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 15:44)

Re: Christmas BPCH (Magic Continues) (99,039) (99,042) by T from USA This was recorded months ago, not in the winter (as winter doesn’t officially begin until December 21st). Plus this is all done in LA anyway. For example, FILAC was done in May/June of this past year. I actually think her true winter performances are better, like the Beacon shows. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 14:31)

Re: DJ Khaled (99,033) (99,041) by T from USA No she didn't get the message with Caution because it didn't become the hit it could've been. She even says she didn't like the process of making it (after the fact). Remember, Mariah always goes back to the times in her life when she was most successful and tries to recreate those sounds. That always puts her in a TEOM/EMC2 state of mind. If Caution was a runaway success then I truly believe she would continue down that road, now I'm afraid she doesn't know it. I too hope she works with producers she's never worked with, particularly Max Matin. (Sunday 5 December 2021; 14:25)

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