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Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,629) (97,631) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Lordy me, even if you agree with her racist remarks, don't say it was "well said". Call a spade a spade: it was the prosaic equivalent of polishing a turd. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:27)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,630) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "'White' people, however, are a pan-European gang who have invaded parts of the world where they do not belong and have engaged in damaging relationships with other human beings and the environment. 'White' does not deserve respect." You can dress up your racism in pseudo-intellectual nonsense all you like - you're just disgusting. I laughed at you for a short while. But actually you just made me feel terribly, terribly sad for you, sweetheart. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:23)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,629) by Aliya from Canada Well said. (Saturday 20 March 2021; 00:08)

Re: Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) (97,628) by Anonymous from I also concur that Mariah isn't racist and agree with everything you've said however the last paragraph is confusing to me. I'm at a lost if I'm being honest with what's been said, it's hard to digest. I'm also at a loss that if Mariah is indeed racist, why do people still continue to support her, especially going to such lengths like checking a fan site. People are liking posts that refer to Mariah being racist/not liking white yet have not responded to the question. The repetitive saga continues. (Friday 19 March 2021; 22:24)

Re: Covid19 (97,625) (97,627) by MusicfanJ from Germany Hi TJ, I'm very tired too. The highlight of the week is shopping at the supermarket and walking in the woods. I miss the normal life before covid so much. The case numbers are rising up again, it's just depressing. But luckily I'm well (but the nerves are down). I hope you are well too and of course all the other MCA members who have a hard time. (Friday 19 March 2021; 20:49)

Stop defending "white" identity (97,626) by Geronimo from USA The idea that Mariah Carey is racist is absurd on his face. The idea that Mariah Carey panders to a concept of "black nationalism" with a date range next to it is the rhetoric of racists. The suggestion that she pretends to oppose racial justice as a marketing technique is also a racist thing to say. And that type of racism is plentiful on this board. Mariah Carey is a black woman mixed ancestry. Advocating for justice for her people is a duty to her ancestors and her children. Pointing out her mother's participation in the forms of racism available to people when they want to be petty and use power acknowledges what many Black people and others of mixed ancestry have experienced in their families. A person of European ancestry who finds what Mariah Carey says about her family experience to be offensive should ask themselves what cultural blindness and defensiveness makes you doubt something that is an obvious fact of social and family relationships for millions of people. Finally, Mariah Carey and African-Americans more generally, do not need to "like" white people. Any person who dislikes a group of people because they are of European ancestry is a person who has a problem. "White" people, however, are a pan-European gang who have invaded parts of the world where they do not belong and have engaged in damaging relationships with other human beings and the environment. "White" does not deserve respect. The difference between "white people" and people of European ancestry is precisely the difference between those who have invented race and racism (then criticize people who struggle against it however they need to struggle) and those people of European ancestry to whom race and racism has been attached according to social and cultural activities. Only a racist more clever than intelligent would pretend in public that this distinction is not important. (Friday 19 March 2021; 20:09)

Covid19 (97,625) by TJ from Norway How are you guys hanging in? I have nothing to complain about, but are tired of it (and probably complaining). Hope that you all are OK. I'm dedicating "Shake it of" to all of you. (Friday 19 March 2021; 19:09)

Re: Defamation (97,622) (97,624) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands When you say that "white girl who can sing" has the same implied meaning as "white girl who sings black", you mean that only black girls can sing. (Friday 19 March 2021; 14:23)

Re: Defamation (97,622) (97,623) by Bill from the UK Just highlighting the quote was incorrect. Nothing more. (Friday 19 March 2021; 13:58)

Re: Defamation (97,617) (97,622) by Anonymous from United States The implied meaning of George's statement remains the same even if I misquoted him slightly. "White girl who can sing" has the same implied meaning as "white girl who sings black". If you deny this, you're being willfully obtuse. And if I recall correctly, Joe Biden and Donald Trump were not the only two choices on the ballot. Other choices were available. People just chose to see it as a binary choice. (Friday 19 March 2021; 11:55)

Re: Defamation (97,620) (97,621) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You'd be right if you were specifying that my law degree is in English and Welsh Law. But the United States Law is common law and I did read some of it. In any case defamation is a pretty simple concept: a false and/or malicious statement designed to bring damage to someone's reputation through either written or verbal communication (thus, libel or slander). Having read Law for many years, I am pretty careful with what I write. I am interested to hear which part of defamation as pertaining to the United States I do not understand. I do treat most people as persons who have something to teach me. With exceptions made for obvious foolish here. So go for it. It is interesting that those that libel me won't give me their details to allow my solicitor to argue it with them in court. Foolish people should think before they type. (Friday 19 March 2021; 11:55)

Re: Defamation (97,619) (97,620) by Lady B from USA Much like the ex-siblings, Andrew does not understand Defamation Law in the US. (Friday 19 March 2021; 06:03)

Re: Defamation (97,616) (97,619) by RibbonB from USA Perhaps her political opinion this time around is "anybody but dumb assed Donald", the epitome of a racist, hateful, narcissistic, white nationalistic, grifter. He also incited an insurrection based on lies. (Friday 19 March 2021; 01:36)

Re: Defamation (97,615) (97,618) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Human kindness is overflowing, and I think it's gonna rain today. (Friday 19 March 2021; 01:30)

Re: Defamation (97,616) (97,617) by Bill from the UK For the record Nelson George's comment in his review of Mariah's album was that she was a "white girl who can sing", not a "white girl who sings black". (Friday 19 March 2021; 00:15)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,616) by Anonymous from United States I don't think Mariah is "anti-white", but I do think she's desperate to be seen as "down" and is constantly pandering to a kind of black cultural nationalism that was popular in the 1960s/70s and is now seeing a resurgence in the United States. I really didn't care for the way she looked down on her father for being a member of the Unitarian Universalist Church and didn't like the derogatory statements she made in her book about how his funeral service was "too white" until she intervened. It made her come off as quite conservative and close-minded. What I don't get is how she can position herself as some kind of "racial justice" advocate and vocally support Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, both of whom have made policy decisions that have had disastrous impacts on working class and poor black Americans (i.e. the 1994 Crime Bill and Mass Incarceration)vand poor/working class people of all backgrounds. But I'm sure Mariah's political analysis probably goes about as deep as "vote Democrat no matter who", so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. No one really talks about this, but black music critic Nelson George was the one who originally referred to Mariah as a "white girl who sings black", which was arguably the genesis of her desire to prove herself as "down". Statements like that emanate from the absurd notion that all black people sing a certain way and all white people sing a certain way or that somehow someone's skin color automatically determines their singing ability. I don't ever remember George apologizing for that statement either. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 23:31)

Re: Defamation (97,611) (97,615) by Anonymous from Not cool at all. As I stick up for Mariah when warranted, I do so for Andy and that's not the case. Wrong to suggest such things. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 22:15)

Re: Defamation (97,610) (97,613) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, there's only one truth. There can be different opinions and points of view but that doesn't change the truth or a lie. What I do believe, Mariah is clearly not "anti-white". Her biggest idol is Marilyn Monroe. But maybe it bothers her that most of her non-fans think she's white. Mariah is so lucky with her talent and beauty, I think she can be very happy with it. I watched "Honey" yesterday and was still blown away by her beauty and the cool video after such a long time. What a woman. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 17:49)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,612) by Anonymous from I'm still trying to understand, if Mariah is seen as racist and doesn't like white people then why would yourself and others who feel the same way still continue to support/be a Mariah fan. What am I missing here? Everyone can have differing opinions yes, but if I genuinely felt in my heart of hearts that Mariah is racist towards White, Black or any other race for that matter then I would stop supporting her in a heartbeat. This topic is sensitive and I'm not looking to argue, I'm really trying to comprehend why someone would support another that is supposedly racist. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 17:12)

Re: Defamation (97,609) (97,611) by RL from USA Andrew was not sexualizing a 13 year old. That hyperbolic language is a huge problem and framing it that way is inaccurate. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 14:04)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,610) by RL from USA I agree with Andrew. A lot of the language that is used today "your truth", "my truth" etc. is faulty. A lot of people scream racism when the just don't agree with something, or their feelings are hurt. That divisive language does no one any good. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 05:00)

Re: Defamation (97,608) (97,609) by We are lambily from USA First of all housing discrimination is very common especially in New York, and I do believe some ethnic groups can say the same things about [the] UK. Even the former, disgraced, twice impeached, one term president have discriminated people in his buildings because of race. [censored] Wow, so Mariah feeling some type of way about [Divas Live] turned into [Mariah] hates white people. Such [a] disgusting remark especially considering how [Mariah] is so sweet and affectionate towards all of her fans from all types of demographics. I'm not gonna go into that whole thing again but see here is where it's a culture crash. And what matters at the end of the day is Mariah's biggest female inspiration asked her of all the females in the land to sing with her. I don't know how things are in your country, but even in rape cases here in America in many instances only require a testimony from the victim to get justice if that's all there is. But you are a nobody, Mariah once again owe you nothing. The fact that the book [has] sold so amazing and the response [has] been spectacular. The book did its magic, now Mariah is so much more free. And ready for the next chapter in her life. [censored] Throwing inflammatory accusations, let me get Ed on the phone and sue [you] for defamation. Everyone knows once you become famous let alone a legend like Mariah, there are parasites in every part part of your life, your family, your work and even among your fandom. Pro-white? Yeah that's exactly what FBI just came out and classified as the number one domestic terrorists. Learn about white supremacy, learn some history, and stop coming with some Fox News hateful talking points. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 03:34)

Re: Defamation (97,604) (97,608) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I question everybody's recounting of a story for which there is no evidence. On the face of things, all things being equal, you might accept it and move on. However, for a moment consider the co-op board not wanting Black people in the building. Now, you and I, as long-time fans, will have read that she was turned down for purchasing Barbra's apartment many times over in the last two decades. I never, ever once read it was because of race. It's new. The claim is brand new. In a book full or really dubious storytelling. The story is white-people-bad. Take Mariah's mother apparently calling the police when Mariah decided she had to wash up mid-argument with plates that were soapy unfortunately slipping out of her hand successively. It is alleged that Mariah's racist mother called the police not out of fear but rather smirking in the knowledge that the police would see a poor white woman suffering at the hands of Black people. So the white police rock up (Pat really lucked in there) and do not see the biggest female star of the time, they see a non-white woman. And arrest her out of racism. Obviously misreading how soapy plates can get, especially when you're mid-argument. I question Mariah's claim that she was an innocent child when it never ever seemed that way before. What does she say on The Rarities? She wore lingerie singing on a piano at thirteen? Out of her own choice? Wow. Girl interrupted. There is enormous evidence to suggest Mariah doesn't like white people. She gets upset that she is outdone by a white person on a stage and makes claims that the woman should have respected Black culture. How Divas Live became about race and not Mariah's voice being not up to par is rather depressing. A memoir differs from an autobiography in that it is not, latterly, a recount of a lifetime, it a selection of events to tell a story. It still requires some evidentiary support where accusations are made. There is no free-for-all because you decide something is "your truth". Can anyone honestly say they think Mariah is pro-Black then and have that mutually exclusive of being anti-white? Reverse that. If someone is pro-white, it doesn't mean they are anti-Black? I'm happy for people to debate arguments. But screaming stupidity at the top of their lungs does not an argument make. It is simply an excuse to have debate shut down because it is not liked. I exclude you from that, as you're always very fair and open-minded and so rather enjoy your viewpoints, even if I do not enjoy how you describe what you are seeing. To my original point, way back when, I think Mariah should not have written this book. It is a spurious and salacious retelling of events, leaping into a bandwagon of current political strife, that has done absolutely nobody any good. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 01:18)

Re: A new low (97,605) (97,607) by We are lambily from USA Lol, yeah there were some spelling errors but the point still stands. People tend to focus on that when they don't have a rebuttal. Go to [Mimi] on your contacts and press delete. And go and educate on yourself on racial issues, and instead of always saying so many incorrect statements try to listen to people's experiences. It honestly seems like you have so much hate towards Mariah, what did she do to you? Lol, did she ignore your grotesque spirit out in the streets. Ps: I personally believe she went [too] easy on her ex siblings, and she even admitted that once in a interview. (Thursday 18 March 2021; 01:14)

Re: Bey gets her 28th Grammy (97,594) (97,606) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Eddie, are there really videos where the US National Anthem lipsync failure is adjusted? I can't find any. (Wednesday 17 March 2021; 23:50)

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