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Nasty, nasty comment (108,958) by Tevin from USA Also, add to the fact that when she was forced to stop drinking (while she was pregnant), her tone and clarity improved to a point that I would dare say, we haven't heard since Glitter. (Monday 2 June 2025; 17:14) this is a reply to message 108,927

Nasty, nasty comment (108,927) by Edward from USA If you're going to be a "Yass Queen", at least own it with pride. Facts don't care about your feelings, they remain facts, whether you like them or not. And clearly, for some of you, the truth is like kryptonite. It's well documented that Mariah Carey indulged in heavy drinking, especially around the time leading up to the release of Butterfly. Her voice was never quite the same afterward. She's been drunk in public many times, so it's not like she had a secret. While it may not have been his place to speak on it, even her brother mentioned that she was drinking while on her bipolar meds. Eminem, in his track The Warning, didn't hold back either, outright calling her an alcoholic. Say what you want, but the receipts have been there for a long time. And as much as I love Mariah, with the state of her voice today, she wouldn't even make it to audition in front of the judges on American Idol. Her voice is completely shot. But of course, in La La Land, she's still "slaying". Reality, however, paints a very different picture. (Saturday 31 May 2025; 17:22)

MC16 (108,957) by Jamie from UK Looks like MC16 is on its way? (Monday 2 June 2025; 16:17)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,956) by Jamie from UK Wow, you're a very angry person. (Monday 2 June 2025; 16:16) this is a reply to message 108,954

Music Box vs Daydream (108,954) by Lambi from USA Let's do a rerun: You: Alcoholism is why. *Beyonce debunks it* You: MC MB M Christmas the only formidable *Asian women who wins contests annually debunk by a landslide* You: you have another account don't you. [censored] LMAO It's so sad to see you unravel like this. Perhaps the yellow school bus didn't go up to mines because it was stuck at yours. (Monday 2 June 2025; 13:29)

MC16 (108,955) by Max from Germany I can just scream. (Monday 2 June 2025; 15:57)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,954) by Lambi from USA Let's do a rerun: You: Alcoholism is why. *Beyonce debunks it* You: MC MB M Christmas the only formidable *Asian women who wins contests annually debunk by a landslide* You: you have another account don't you. [censored] LMAO It's so sad to see you unravel like this. Perhaps the yellow school bus didn't go up to mines because it was stuck at yours. (Monday 2 June 2025; 13:29) this is a reply to message 108,952

Music Box vs Daydream (108,952) by Edward from USA Your delusion isn't an at ad hominem attack, it's a documented fact, backed by your own words. You never challenged anything. It's evident the little yellow bus doesn't go up there where you live. (Monday 2 June 2025; 13:00)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,953) by TJ from Norway It's time to grow up. (Monday 2 June 2025; 13:21) this is a reply to message 108,950

Music Box vs Daydream (108,950) by Lambi from USA That's a new one. I'm very new here. Please show me this baby you speak of. I'd like to see if he is as strong debater and doesn't resort to calling anyone a "yasss queen". But the bone I pick with Edward is because he made a big deal with me saying Mariah is avoiding wrinkles. Which btw, is a very verifiable fact. I'm just throwing the ball back way harder now because you don't do that to new comers. I'm finding out he's rather weak in debate and can't actually defend why he believes what he believes. His points are easily debunkable and he can't present you any fact. [censored] He made fun of Mariah. A couple people stood up for Mariah and called him nasty. He now then say "wow okay I guess I'll just hibernate aw I'm so sad". Its like he did the bullying and now he's the victim. Do you see the level of derangement? And with you? I don't have any problem. You're rather polite. We disagree with Solange's remix but you've never been rude. Hope this helps. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:12)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,952) by Edward from USA Your delusion isn't an at ad hominem attack, it's a documented fact, backed by your own words. You never challenged anything. It's evident the little yellow bus doesn't go up there where you live. (Monday 2 June 2025; 13:00) this is a reply to message 108,949

Music Box vs Daydream (108,949) by Lambi from USA I have never made another account here, and if I have, I would not name it "baby" lmfao. Like actually what do you mean? Because I present verifiable facts and consistently prove you wrong? You basically have no argument so you resort to calling someone deluded "yasss queen", when you're quite literally deluded with your alcoholism theory. It's weird you make fun of people's post but then when your opinions are challenged you can't defend them with facts. It's like you haven't grown any muscle in years. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:09)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,951) by Lambi from USA I named Bill on the part that was censored. Not Edward. Just for clarification. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:20) this is a reply to message 108,950

Music Box vs Daydream (108,950) by Lambi from USA That's a new one. I'm very new here. Please show me this baby you speak of. I'd like to see if he is as strong debater and doesn't resort to calling anyone a "yasss queen". But the bone I pick with Edward is because he made a big deal with me saying Mariah is avoiding wrinkles. Which btw, is a very verifiable fact. I'm just throwing the ball back way harder now because you don't do that to new comers. I'm finding out he's rather weak in debate and can't actually defend why he believes what he believes. His points are easily debunkable and he can't present you any fact. [censored] He made fun of Mariah. A couple people stood up for Mariah and called him nasty. He now then say "wow okay I guess I'll just hibernate aw I'm so sad". Its like he did the bullying and now he's the victim. Do you see the level of derangement? And with you? I don't have any problem. You're rather polite. We disagree with Solange's remix but you've never been rude. Hope this helps. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:12)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,950) by Lambi from USA That's a new one. I'm very new here. Please show me this baby you speak of. I'd like to see if he is as strong debater and doesn't resort to calling anyone a "yasss queen". But the bone I pick with Edward is because he made a big deal with me saying Mariah is avoiding wrinkles. Which btw, is a very verifiable fact. I'm just throwing the ball back way harder now because you don't do that to new comers. I'm finding out he's rather weak in debate and can't actually defend why he believes what he believes. His points are easily debunkable and he can't present you any fact. [censored] He made fun of Mariah. A couple people stood up for Mariah and called him nasty. He now then say "wow okay I guess I'll just hibernate aw I'm so sad". Its like he did the bullying and now he's the victim. Do you see the level of derangement? And with you? I don't have any problem. You're rather polite. We disagree with Solange's remix but you've never been rude. Hope this helps. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:12) this is a reply to message 108,948

Music Box vs Daydream (108,948) by Bobby A from United States I thought my speculation three weeks ago was correct. Lambi is Baby from Dreamville's alternate ego. I could never pull off a second account knowing how my writing style and tone is so recognizable. Writing this post makes me think about how my old mate Andrew would call me out so many times for my opinions and predictions. Anyway, Lambi/Baby from Dreamville must be watching how Y&R is dragging out this Aristotle Dumas huge reveal. (Monday 2 June 2025; 10:55)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,949) by Lambi from USA I have never made another account here, and if I have, I would not name it "baby" lmfao. Like actually what do you mean? Because I present verifiable facts and consistently prove you wrong? You basically have no argument so you resort to calling someone deluded "yasss queen", when you're quite literally deluded with your alcoholism theory. It's weird you make fun of people's post but then when your opinions are challenged you can't defend them with facts. It's like you haven't grown any muscle in years. (Monday 2 June 2025; 12:09) this is a reply to message 108,947

Music Box vs Daydream (108,947) by Edward from USA Your level of "yass queen" delusion is impressive, congrats. Mariah is definitely the better overall artist, but neither she nor Celine could touch Whitney when it comes to pure vocal power and resonance. So, before you and your other account keep hyping each other up in your little echo chamber, take several seats. If you're going to reply to a certain post, at least make some sense. (Monday 2 June 2025; 06:28)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,948) by Bobby A from United States I thought my speculation three weeks ago was correct. Lambi is Baby from Dreamville's alternate ego. I could never pull off a second account knowing how my writing style and tone is so recognizable. Writing this post makes me think about how my old mate Andrew would call me out so many times for my opinions and predictions. Anyway, Lambi/Baby from Dreamville must be watching how Y&R is dragging out this Aristotle Dumas huge reveal. (Monday 2 June 2025; 10:55) this is a reply to message 108,947

Music Box vs Daydream (108,947) by Edward from USA Your level of "yass queen" delusion is impressive, congrats. Mariah is definitely the better overall artist, but neither she nor Celine could touch Whitney when it comes to pure vocal power and resonance. So, before you and your other account keep hyping each other up in your little echo chamber, take several seats. If you're going to reply to a certain post, at least make some sense. (Monday 2 June 2025; 06:28)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,947) by Edward from USA Your level of "yass queen" delusion is impressive, congrats. Mariah is definitely the better overall artist, but neither she nor Celine could touch Whitney when it comes to pure vocal power and resonance. So, before you and your other account keep hyping each other up in your little echo chamber, take several seats. If you're going to reply to a certain post, at least make some sense. (Monday 2 June 2025; 06:28) this is a reply to message 108,945

Music Box vs Daydream (108,945) by Lambi from USA In Asia, during a grand finale of a singing contest, virtually nobody uses any song from Mariah Carey, Music Box or Merry Christmas. Like when others are singing Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" or Celine's "Power Of Love". The lambily contestants would will their artillery with "Through The Rain", "Can't Take That Away", "Forever", "Never Too Far", "Butterfly" or "My All" and majority of the time, the lambs would take home the grand prize. Probably because Mariah just wrote it with higher difficulty level. Those are her best vocal performances. Once again, the market of singers have spoken, you're objectively wrong. Whitney is also the one that has to level up and match Mariah by the way, not the other way around. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 23:16)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,946) by Lighty from China Don't forget about Ken Lee a.k.a. Without You. (Monday 2 June 2025; 05:43) this is a reply to message 108,945

Music Box vs Daydream (108,945) by Lambi from USA In Asia, during a grand finale of a singing contest, virtually nobody uses any song from Mariah Carey, Music Box or Merry Christmas. Like when others are singing Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" or Celine's "Power Of Love". The lambily contestants would will their artillery with "Through The Rain", "Can't Take That Away", "Forever", "Never Too Far", "Butterfly" or "My All" and majority of the time, the lambs would take home the grand prize. Probably because Mariah just wrote it with higher difficulty level. Those are her best vocal performances. Once again, the market of singers have spoken, you're objectively wrong. Whitney is also the one that has to level up and match Mariah by the way, not the other way around. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 23:16)

Music Box vs Daydream (108,945) by Lambi from USA In Asia, during a grand finale of a singing contest, virtually nobody uses any song from Mariah Carey, Music Box or Merry Christmas. Like when others are singing Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" or Celine's "Power Of Love". The lambily contestants would will their artillery with "Through The Rain", "Can't Take That Away", "Forever", "Never Too Far", "Butterfly" or "My All" and majority of the time, the lambs would take home the grand prize. Probably because Mariah just wrote it with higher difficulty level. Those are her best vocal performances. Once again, the market of singers have spoken, you're objectively wrong. Whitney is also the one that has to level up and match Mariah by the way, not the other way around. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 23:16) this is a reply to message 108,933

Music Box vs Daydream (108,933) by Edward from USA Lyrically, I prefer Daydream, but vocally, Music Box reigns supreme in my book. While her voice on Daydream was like pure butter, smooth, nuanced, and mature, on Music Box, it was fuller, more powerful and with a richness difficult to match. Mariah Carey, Music Box, and Merry Christmas are the only albums where Mariah came closest to matching Whitney’s level of resonance and vocal power. Daydream still featured incredible vocals, strong, expressive, and technically refined, but it leaned more into buttery tone and artistic subtlety rather than sheer vocal force. As an overall body of work, Daydream was more mature and creatively sophisticated than Music Box, but vocally, Music Box was a powerhouse. As much as I love myself some Music Box, Daydream is the better album in my humble opinion. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:10)

Whisper tone (108,944) by Bobby A from United States MC stopped singing in the whisper tone completely with MIAM and Caution. She either can't do it anymore or has realized what it did to her voice. I believe that she tried to do it on GTFO, but it didn't sound right for the Porter Robinson sample. The girly voice is what we got instead. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 20:44) this is a reply to message 108,942

Nasty, nasty comment (108,942) by Jamie from UK I also agree that the whisper voice she adopted contributed to damaging her voice. Not singing how she was meant to might have put strain on her voice. As said previously I think she chose to sing in this way, is it possible in the earlier later years that she forgot how to sing? We heard a return to power voice during [Glitter] but then sling came [Charmbracelet], I don't mind the album but her voice is annoying at times with the whisper and I just think to myself "just sing properly". (Sunday 1 June 2025; 16:21)

Favourites (108,943) by TJ from Norway They are my favourites too. The live version of If it's Over on SNL is out of this world. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 19:31) this is a reply to message 108,941

Nasty, nasty comment (108,941) by MusicfanJ from Germany Great post. "I guess we in the Northern Europe drink so much that any American would say we were raging alcoholics." I live in an wine region, we have many wine festivals here (i just went on Friday to one) it's our culture. But yes, who knows what really happened to Mariah's voice? I think it's an combination of everything. "Vision of love" and "If it's over" are one of my favourites. The sound, her voice, the lyrics. Out of this world, pure Mariah magic. She will always be the best, if you look at her 90ies catalogue. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 14:14)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,942) by Jamie from UK I also agree that the whisper voice she adopted contributed to damaging her voice. Not singing how she was meant to might have put strain on her voice. As said previously I think she chose to sing in this way, is it possible in the earlier later years that she forgot how to sing? We heard a return to power voice during [Glitter] but then sling came [Charmbracelet], I don't mind the album but her voice is annoying at times with the whisper and I just think to myself "just sing properly". (Sunday 1 June 2025; 16:21) this is a reply to message 108,939

Nasty, nasty comment (108,939) by TJ from Norway I don't know if I got your message right, so I wouldn't comment on that one, but some people do have a different sound after some years in the business, and other doesn't. If it is because of alcohol or not, I can't say. I know a few opera singers and they both drink and sing (concerts almost every day) with no problem combining that with drinking. I guess we in the Northern Europe drink so much that any American would say we were raging alcoholics, but still keep singing. Whitney and Dionne Warwick both sounded different from their debut and later in their careers. If that's because of drugs, I don't know. I think Mariah for some years was pushing her voice over a long period of time (1991-1996) and that combined with the whispering voice (really hurt your voice). If you listen to her singing after her debut, her voice was much lover when she sang live than in her recordings. Anyway alcohol or not, we'll never get that sound again. I think I will be playing some Vision of Love today. And maybe some If it's Over. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 11:51)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,941) by MusicfanJ from Germany Great post. "I guess we in the Northern Europe drink so much that any American would say we were raging alcoholics." I live in an wine region, we have many wine festivals here (i just went on Friday to one) it's our culture. But yes, who knows what really happened to Mariah's voice? I think it's an combination of everything. "Vision of love" and "If it's over" are one of my favourites. The sound, her voice, the lyrics. Out of this world, pure Mariah magic. She will always be the best, if you look at her 90ies catalogue. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 14:14) this is a reply to message 108,939

Nasty, nasty comment (108,939) by TJ from Norway I don't know if I got your message right, so I wouldn't comment on that one, but some people do have a different sound after some years in the business, and other doesn't. If it is because of alcohol or not, I can't say. I know a few opera singers and they both drink and sing (concerts almost every day) with no problem combining that with drinking. I guess we in the Northern Europe drink so much that any American would say we were raging alcoholics, but still keep singing. Whitney and Dionne Warwick both sounded different from their debut and later in their careers. If that's because of drugs, I don't know. I think Mariah for some years was pushing her voice over a long period of time (1991-1996) and that combined with the whispering voice (really hurt your voice). If you listen to her singing after her debut, her voice was much lover when she sang live than in her recordings. Anyway alcohol or not, we'll never get that sound again. I think I will be playing some Vision of Love today. And maybe some If it's Over. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 11:51)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,940) by MusicfanJ from Germany I love that guy and his authentic reaction in concert. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 13:38) this is a reply to message 108,936

Nasty, nasty comment (108,936) by Bobby A from United States Bill, don't you dare go back into hibernation. I am enjoying you posting again. The newbies weren't around during MC's glory days like most of us. We remember when we were like that handsome guy in the Hero video who was shaking his head in awe of MC's excellent vocal skills and technique at 3:10. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:56)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,939) by TJ from Norway I don't know if I got your message right, so I wouldn't comment on that one, but some people do have a different sound after some years in the business, and other doesn't. If it is because of alcohol or not, I can't say. I know a few opera singers and they both drink and sing (concerts almost every day) with no problem combining that with drinking. I guess we in the Northern Europe drink so much that any American would say we were raging alcoholics, but still keep singing. Whitney and Dionne Warwick both sounded different from their debut and later in their careers. If that's because of drugs, I don't know. I think Mariah for some years was pushing her voice over a long period of time (1991-1996) and that combined with the whispering voice (really hurt your voice). If you listen to her singing after her debut, her voice was much lover when she sang live than in her recordings. Anyway alcohol or not, we'll never get that sound again. I think I will be playing some Vision of Love today. And maybe some If it's Over. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 11:51) this is a reply to message 108,934

Nasty, nasty comment (108,934) by Lambi from USA Beyoncé has SirDavis American Whisky. She quite literally made an alcohol brand and sells them. She's so into drinking she made a whole business out of it. Mariah did the same with Black Irish. We can argue Beyoncé is a bigger alcoholic since SirDavis has 44% ABV, while Black Irish has 17%. However, Beyoncé has no vocal decline. If anything she got better. So no it's not alcoholism, your theory is ideologically inconsistent. Mariah simply has a different set of vocal cords, she has nodes and it only gets worse over time. And knowing Mariah's nonstop work ethic, she quickened her decline. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:32)

Happy anniversary (108,938) by TJ from Norway I think all have different views on those albums. I for example can't stand OSD. Well that's not the complete truth because I love/like like half a minute of the song (near the end). On the Daydream album these are the best ones: Fantasy, Long Ago, Open Arms, I am Free, Always Be My Baby and Forever. On the Music Box album: Dreamlover, Hero, Anytime You Need a Friend, Music Box, Without You, Everything Fades Away and Never Forget You. If I list them up, it would be something like this: 1. Dreamlover 2. Music Box 3. Fantasy 4. Anytime You Need a Friend 5. Hero 6. Open Arms 7. Without You 8. Never Forget You 9. Always be My Baby 10. Everything Fades Away 11. Long Ago 12. Forever 13. I am Free I think I need to make this into a play list on Spotify. She has many good songs. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 11:13) this is a reply to message 108,924

Happy anniversary (108,924) by Randy from USA You know that's an interesting premise. And I'm ready to get off this stroke, medication, vocal nonsense. I feel like Music Box and Daydream are siblings with the same highs and lows. Each has monster hits (Dreamlover, Hero, Without You vs. Fantasy, One Sweet Day, Always Be My Baby). Each has a weakness (I've Been Thinking About You vs Long Ago). Each has a club song (Now That I Know vs. Daydream Interlude). Dave Jam Hall, Babyface and Walter make appearances on both. I think the reason Music Box is slightly weaker is Now That I Know sucks as much as I've Been Thinking About You so it has two weak tracks and Daydream has Looking In. There's no introspective, non-romantic love track on Music Box. Looking In is the precursor to Close My Eyes, Outside, Petals, Languishing and of course, the best Mariah Carey song of all time Right To Dream. So yea, to me Daydream is the better of the two but Music Box is no slouch. I still play tf out of Anytime You Need A Friend from Tokyo Dome and the Jermaine Dupri remix of Never Forget You. Oh and I do a nifty sing along to the male part of Everything Fades Away. (Saturday 31 May 2025; 14:26)

Say Somethin Solange remix (108,937) by Lambi from USA Exactly I know Solange has done better. Her harmonies were off key, could’ve left it without them, even the drums she used were also on a different key. It is sloppy lamb. Kaytranada is the stand out remix in this release. But which comment are you writing on your book? Real recognize real? Lmfao. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 04:31) this is a reply to message 108,935

Say Somethin Solange remix (108,935) by Bobby A from United States In my Arnold voice from Different Strokes, whatcha talkin bout Lambi? Lol. Solange has a sound that millions of R&B fans love. Cranes In The Sky won her a Grammy award. She added the Solange vibe to Say Somethin. I am writing your post in my Mariah book. Lol. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:43)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,936) by Bobby A from United States Bill, don't you dare go back into hibernation. I am enjoying you posting again. The newbies weren't around during MC's glory days like most of us. We remember when we were like that handsome guy in the Hero video who was shaking his head in awe of MC's excellent vocal skills and technique at 3:10. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:56) this is a reply to message 108,925

Nasty, nasty comment (108,925) by Bill from the UK Correct, I am sad and unhappy that Mariah Carey is now nothing but a shadow of her former glorious and wonderfully captivating self. You and your kind can continue ignoring it. Perhaps I'll go back into hibernation again and pretend this isn't happening. Mariah I pray you get the help you need, God bless you always. (Saturday 31 May 2025; 14:48)

Say Somethin Solange remix (108,935) by Bobby A from United States In my Arnold voice from Different Strokes, whatcha talkin bout Lambi? Lol. Solange has a sound that millions of R&B fans love. Cranes In The Sky won her a Grammy award. She added the Solange vibe to Say Somethin. I am writing your post in my Mariah book. Lol. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:43) this is a reply to message 108,923

Say Somethin Solange remix (108,923) by Lambi from USA Nah real recognize real? it was indeed trash. Garage band vibes lmfao. (Saturday 31 May 2025; 13:43)

Nasty, nasty comment (108,934) by Lambi from USA Beyoncé has SirDavis American Whisky. She quite literally made an alcohol brand and sells them. She's so into drinking she made a whole business out of it. Mariah did the same with Black Irish. We can argue Beyoncé is a bigger alcoholic since SirDavis has 44% ABV, while Black Irish has 17%. However, Beyoncé has no vocal decline. If anything she got better. So no it's not alcoholism, your theory is ideologically inconsistent. Mariah simply has a different set of vocal cords, she has nodes and it only gets worse over time. And knowing Mariah's nonstop work ethic, she quickened her decline. (Sunday 1 June 2025; 02:32) this is a reply to message 108,927

Nasty, nasty comment (108,927) by Edward from USA If you're going to be a "Yass Queen", at least own it with pride. Facts don't care about your feelings, they remain facts, whether you like them or not. And clearly, for some of you, the truth is like kryptonite. It's well documented that Mariah Carey indulged in heavy drinking, especially around the time leading up to the release of Butterfly. Her voice was never quite the same afterward. She's been drunk in public many times, so it's not like she had a secret. While it may not have been his place to speak on it, even her brother mentioned that she was drinking while on her bipolar meds. Eminem, in his track The Warning, didn't hold back either, outright calling her an alcoholic. Say what you want, but the receipts have been there for a long time. And as much as I love Mariah, with the state of her voice today, she wouldn't even make it to audition in front of the judges on American Idol. Her voice is completely shot. But of course, in La La Land, she's still "slaying". Reality, however, paints a very different picture. (Saturday 31 May 2025; 17:22)

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