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Re: Talking of the 90's (97,578) (97,580) by John from USA I'm fine with the current look, for the familiarity of it. If you do decide to change it though: a messageboard with subfolders so it's easy to follow topics would be great to have. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 23:32)

Re: Rumours (97,570) (97,579) by Terna from Nigeria Except Jermaine had nothing to do with that song's production. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 21:13)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,573) (97,578) by Edward from USA Eric used to change things around every once in a while, but I guess he must be busy or something. It is true Eric, we need a new look. (Sunday 14 March 2021; 16:08)

In the studio (97,577) by Bobby A from United States MC must be in the studio this week recording MC 16 as evident in her Biggie picture tweet on March 9. I just hope she takes her time and works with producers and songwriters who can give her a new sound. (Saturday 13 March 2021; 05:30)

Re: Talking of the 90's (97,573) (97,576) by T from USA I like the nostalgia of MCA. I wouldn't change a thing. (Friday 12 March 2021; 23:50)

Re: Rumours (97,574) (97,575) by Stacey from USA Seriously. MC could do a James Bond song justice for sure. (Friday 12 March 2021; 22:40)

Re: Rumours (97,570) (97,574) by MusicfanJ from Germany Haha, yes I can imagine this too. Lol. "My heart will go on" is and always will be Celine's song and that's good. In 97 Mariah wouldn"t like a song for "Titanic", but I always thought she would have been perfect for a James Bond song. (Friday 12 March 2021; 18:41)

Talking of the 90's (97,573) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Isn't it about time you changed the design of this website, Eric? Feel like I'm in a time warp every time I log on and see the logo. #justsayin (Friday 12 March 2021; 15:43)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,572) by Andrew from the United Kingdom My Heart Will Go On was recorded in May or June 1997, I believe, at a time when Mariah was in the middle of recording Butterfly, so she *may* have had the vocal chops to do it. If she had lain down Whenever You Call vocals it would have been epic (no pun intended). I love Celine and her performance of the song but I feel it's only the last chorus anyone cares about. The first two verses and choruses are incredibly boring save for the tin whistle (if anyone hasn't explored Irish music and dancing you ought to - it's as magical as the island, itself). I think if Mariah had recorded the song the first two choruses and verses would certainly have had more depth, variation and impact, possibly being less saccharine - with layered vocals and transitions from head to chest by the second verse, at least. However, Celine is to My Heart Will Go On as Whitney is to I Will Always Love You and Mariah is to All I Want For Christmas Is You and Hero. Certainly, Celine singing Whitney's signature song is an abomination to the ears. I wouldn't want, now, to hear Mariah's version of My Heart even if she were to have recorded it. From things I read in the past I believe James Horner was originally going with Sissel (whose voice is the Hymn to the Sea harmony - something Mariah could also have done to magical effect in the soundtrack) but felt like he owed the legend that was and is Rene Angelil for their loyalty on previous film soundtracks. I am, also, not sure, Mariah would wanted to have recorded it. And given the vocal difficulties Mariah fell into after the recording of Butterfly it is probably best she didn't. In any case, My Heart Will Go On is a brilliant composition. I loved it so much that it is one of the few pop songs I taught myself to play properly on the piano outside of regular piano tuition. Last year I played it on a piano in a busy train station in London and people sang along. It was great. Maybe next time I'll play Hero. It's slightly less embarrassing to admit you know. But only ever so slightly. (Friday 12 March 2021; 15:42)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,571) by Dennis from Miami, FL James Cameron wanted only Celine. He have said that numerous times. (Friday 12 March 2021; 14:59)

Re: Rumours (97,569) (97,570) by Bill from the UK I can just imagine the opening flutes of the theme beginning and then an intrusive "y'all know who this is" from JD. (Friday 12 March 2021; 14:09)

Rumours (97,569) by Terna from Nigeria Could there be any truth to this? I think there's an element of truth to it seeing as these are the same co-writers listed on "Where are You Christmas", another song we know she recorded but could not release. (Friday 12 March 2021; 11:46)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,566) (97,568) by Stacey from USA No Tommy? No AIWFCIY. (Friday 12 March 2021; 05:01)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,567) by Mirage_Nunez from America Tommy just should've never crossed the line of business and started a romantic relationship with Mariah; and played the same role Clive Davis did with Whitney, just being a mentor, guide and protector to a young MC. That would've been more mentally healthy for her in the long run. He gave Mariah the perfect launching pad for her career no doubt, but I believe his overly controlling antics could be the reason why MC went so hard in the opposing direction after their split. Maybe had he not been so ridiculously controlling, Mariah would've displayed more of a balance in certain areas once they split. It's like the kid that grew up in a very strict household once they go to college, break free, and living it up big time. Overall I think it was a little bit of both: he definitely helped guide her and also stifled some of her organic creativity/musical identity. Remember some of the gems we have is because she had to scheme to have it recorded and released. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 12:11)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,565) (97,566) by Andrew from the United Kingdom You are correct. The most famous episode of Star Trek in the sixties was called City On The Edge Of Forever. In it, someone was transported back in time and then innocently saves a woman's life; the woman, a pacifist, was then instrumental in preventing the United States from joining WWII resulting in Hitler conquering Europe and the space race never having happened. Humankind does not reach for the stars, the world is a very different place. All systems, even the most complex of systems can be drastically altered when an input of any size is altered (often unhelpfully referred to, but not without irony here, as a "Butterfly Effect"). Recently it has become very fashionable for the Hard Left to scream into the air about perceived historical injustice and the attitudes and ideologies of the protagonists of the times. No person of good conscious cannot help but regret that horrible things have occurred in human history: every race seemingly enslaved by another, whole races of peoples targeted for elimination, people tortured, slain, denied education, sexually assaulted and so on. History is full of hideousness, right? It can sometime be overwhelming to appreciate what had to have happened in order for us to be be here. For if any of it changed, we would not be here. I mention this because it is oft the proclivity of people to cry foul at people like Tommy Mottola with such rancour and hatred that he is lambasted for his behaviour at the mere utterance of his name. But Mariah would assuredly have had a very different career and level of success without him. It may have been much better. It could equally have been much worse. But what is true to say that any alteration to the past would result in people who are here not being here and possibly a more disastrous world. So better to not look back in anger but in wonder. And learn to make today and tomorrow better, spinning the narrative on its head and rather being thankful that people who went before us made the mistakes so that we can learn from them and perhaps not repeat them. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 11:23)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,565) by Lainsky from Philippines Not siding with Tommy or whatsoever but we have to see him as broken as Mariah too. He was divorced, so, relationship was not his cup of tea. Music industry, on the other hand, was his expertise at that time and he knew exactly what to do with someone extraordinary like Mariah Carey. We cannot deny the fact that Tommy, partly and a huge part of it if I may add, made her who she is today. Our experiences in life, both good and bad, matter. Every experiences matter. Not that I am glad but it was good that Tommy had to happen in Mariah's life and music career. (Thursday 11 March 2021; 03:57)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,562) (97,564) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It always make me laugh when people dismiss Mottola and claim that he held Mariah back or stifled her and further that she was never really able to make the music she wanted to because of him. Her demo tape isn't full of hip hop heavy songs. It's saccharine and pop. And even after a slightly more Urban sounding record with Butterfly, the free bird Mariah recorded Rainbow. And Glitter. And Charmbracelet. In fact hardly any of Mariah's so called newfound musical freedom resulted in anything much different to what came before. It just had less appealing melodies, less slick production, and a weaker voice. Mariah Carey of the 90's was amazing. It may be rude for Katy Perry to say "good for a throwback" or awkward when Shawn Mendes days "listening to old school Mariah", but truth be told: 90's Mariah unparalleled gold dust. Everything after has been of varying quality and at many points often boring, repetitive and uninspiring. (Wednesday 10 March 2021; 03:04)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,562) (97,563) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Tommy is absolutely a huge reason why Mariah is as big as she is today. I think Mariah has every now and then admitted it too. Not only his experience but also he had huge hold during his reign at Sony and he ensured Mariah was top front and centre. I know Mariah hated being covered and singing cheesy songs and also she was kept away from being a "celebrity", but these did put the focus on just her voice and singing. That being said, I want to also bring forward that we shouldn't forget that Daydream onwards had Mariah not taken the steering wheel in terms of what kind of music she made and her change in image, she wouldn't be relevant today. She would have been left in the early 90s regardless of her immense talent. Now she's known as a revolutionary, setting trends and credit for that goes to her. So yes while Tommy played a huge role in the starting years, post 1995 Mariah is the reason she's still considered such a force in the music industry. If she was still making the music Tommy made her write, she would not have come this far. This is also true now when fans complain that she doesn't experiment more with collaborators or music styles and is stuck in her mid 2000s formula. But if someone can mix it up, it's Mariah. (Wednesday 10 March 2021; 01:14)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,562) by ADAM from USA Tommy said in his memoir that his obsessiveness was the reasons for Mariah's success within Sony. This I firmly believe. Not taking anything away from Mariah's gifts, without the direction and support of someone like Tommy and Sony records, you will become dust. Lest not forget, Tommy was a established executive who groomed Bruce Springsteen and Michael Jackson. His also studied many generations of performers and knew of the cyclical pattern of artists peaks and valleys regarding their voice abilities. These talents in mind, he one Mariah could appeal to the world and with a look/voice like she had she could sell many records like Whitney Houston. In fact, she go go greater lengths because Mariah is externally white-looking. He saw a diamond in the rough with MC and invested everything in the next big superstar. He and Mariah won big time. Mariah's legacy is largely in place because of her Sony period. I think Mariah should be more truthful about this period in her life. They both are massively successful because of their partnership. For every Mariah Carey, there is the sea full of Teena Marie, Charli Baltimore, Paula Abdul, etc. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 23:48)

Hero live at Grand Gala du Disc 1993 (97,561) by HoneyLamb from Germany Sigh, what a magnificent live performance. This is the first time I see this video. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 18:23)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,559) (97,560) by MusicfanJ from Germany "The focus was mostly on her music - not on being famous, not on her personal life, not on her image." Yes it was all about her music for which she became the superstar around the world. Tommy wasn't the right man for her private life for sure, but for the business part he was a great choice. He did the best for the success. Her first albums are the reason why she's so legendary even at the early age at the late ninenties. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 18:21)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,559) by Anonymous from United States It's interesting to reflect on the fact that Mariah and Mottola both now agree that they should have never gotten married. Mariah even wrote in her memoir that she did not want to marry him. When she married Tommy, I believe that Mariah was looking for stability after years of dealing with an unstable environment in her family. I don't think she was really in love with him. I think Mariah's perspective on the marriage in interviews in 1997/1998 was much healthier than it is now. Back then, she considered the marriage stifling and controlling but was also willing to acknowledge that she made the choice to be in the marriage. I believe that Tommy was controlling and that the marriage was very negative for Mariah, but I also believe he was instrumental in helping her achieve the professional success she achieved in the 1990s. He believed in her music and invested time, money, and energy into her vision. Another positive aspect of her time with Tommy was that she was not really in the tabloids in the way she was in the post-1997 period. In the early and mid 1990s, the focus was mostly on her music - not on being famous, not on her personal life, not on her image. We've had some great music since the late 1990s, but most of the output just hasn't measured up. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 14:48)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,558) by Sasha from Nomansland Mariah said they both reaped professional benefits from this marriage. There's no doubt that she used to be a great singer with astonished voice abilities but she's not the only one. There are plenty talented people on this earth but she happened to be at the right place and right time with the right people. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 14:06)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,557) by T from USA The real question is if Tommy [was] black would she have felt the need to break away so badly? Would she still be giving him his props the way she does to the predatory LA Reid? (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 13:47)

Re: Tommy Mottola, a monster? (97,554) (97,556) by Korey2 from United Stated I highly recommend Tommy’s memoir as a read as well. I agree with a lot of what you said. Imagine not having all those albums you listed. (Tuesday 9 March 2021; 01:50)

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